From the WikiPedia page on Ivermectin;

 

We need to stop right there and know that at this point in history, you cannot use Wikipedia as a reliable, unbiased source of information when it comes to a number of topics, and unfortunately medical ones are right there at the top.

 

Sad but true.

That's an interesting observation. But it confirms some discussions I heard way back at the start of all of this, when certain medical researchers were warning that could be the case.

What I don't understand is - if you have already had Covid (and thus would have acquired natural immunity), why would you then want to get the jab AS WELL ??

 

They were advised to.

 

One of them had tested negative with the PCR, but thinks she did the test wrong as it was more or less chucked at her through the car window by a guy in a hazmat suit at a testing centre in Banbury. It was only later when she read the instructions properly at home that she thought she'd done it wrong. But she'd said at work she'd lost her sense of taste and smell and felt lousy for a couple of weeks after. She should ideally have been self isolating, but continued at work.

For me the jury's still out on ivermectin. I'm not sure any of us know enough about it to make anything other than an inspired guess. Given that some seem convinced of its efficacy, I'd seriously like to see more evidence one way or the other.

 

There is lots and lots of data out there if you look.

Here is one free paper to get you started.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3765018

 

BTW, I seem to recall the UK government dismissed considering Ivermectin, giving the reason that they were concerned about its safety.

 

Let me give you a quote from a research paper, published I believe back in 2010 (Effect of ivermectin on Anopheles gambiae mosquitoes fed on humans)

 

"...Ivermectin has a wide antiparasitic activity with long veterinary use. When ivermectin’s activity against Onchocerca volvulus was discovered it was licensed for human use and used in successful mass drug administration programs to control river blindness, being administered to over 80 million adults and children. The drug has proven to be safe. Doses up to 10 times the approved limit are well tolerated by healthy volunteers. Adverse reactions are few and usually mild."

 

Guess who one of the three authors of that paper was?

 

No?

 

A certain gentleman called Christopher Whitty.

 

Its not as if the government didn't have that information.

There is lots and lots of data out there if you look.

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Its not as if the government didn't have that information.

 

Well well ... I've just been doing a bit of surfing to catch up.

Fascinating stuff. Seems the Government has been contacted directly some time ago:

 

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/36858/pdf/

 

And if you'd rather a very straightforward and to the point video with the Author of the report, Dr Tess Lawrie, here it is (I'd thoroughly recommend it BTW, and I'm a bit shocked its still up on youtube!! mind you, hasn't been a month yet ...)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2EEDJuQNrI

 

I'd be surprised if you can watch that video, read up on all the evidence, and then not come to the conclusion that something is very, very wrong.

mrna vaccines was first developed in 1992 to cure such things as cancer not viruses they spent 5 billion in development and was a failed project in 2017 and was dumped! as to little and does nothing and to much it is toxic to human beings.

 

if you take this treatment and it causes disability all you will get is 120k if you can prove to the dwp it has made you more than 60% disabled at a tribunal and prove it under law! it is not compensation and will affect any benefit you receive and paid buy the tax payer.

 

like the usa you cant sue these company's and any compensation comes from the tax payers and they had to make it this way because they was all going to get sued out of existence.

 

and if you watch tv in the usa every other advert is trying to sell you some fantastic new treatment that can make you live longer and the list of side effects wont fit on a bog roll.

 

yet in this country this vaccine has killed more ppl in history than any other b4 it yet they over rule the jcvi to give it to 12-15 year olds because of mental health like a gold star to say look at me pi$$ing in the girls toilets at school.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwZm_IXG9Ho

At work, we've noticed one thing, and that is to do with the side effects of the vaccine, especially the Oxford AZ. The side effects tend to be much much worse in those who have had covid, than in those who haven't.

 

As for ivermection, I've heard that it works as a prophylactic and a treatment. What I don't get is why it's not been more widely used/publicised.

 

Covid itself seems a weird illness in that it makes some desperately ill, and even kills them, whereas others are barely affected at all - if at all. That isn't always age dependent either. I've often wondered if a genetic factor is present.

You have to understand how your imune system deals with new viruses, which it gets very frequently. It's like locks and keys. Your imune system needs a key that fits the lock to unlock it and eliminate it. Some locks are very complicated and others are simple, so just like a locksmith, the easy standard keys are tried first, then he has to try other known methods. That's what your imune system does, but when that doesn't work, it will start producing many random keys and continue doing that until it finds one that fits the lock. Once it knows what key fits the lock, it can start producing loads of them to deal with the virus invasion. It never forgets the key, which is why you can't get infected by the same virus twice.

 

Now to answer your question: Some people might have had a similar virus before, so the immune system starts producing keys that are close to the solution, and it has a better chance of producing the right one sooner. Other people might be just lucky, in that the first random key fits. Some people have strong immune systems that can produce more keys than others, so they randomly get the right key sooner. One important factor, like any bodily function is that immune sytems that are very active work better than ones that aren't, like running: Somebody that runs everyday has little trouble running 20 miles, but somebody who hasn't run at all in 10 years has not much chance of running for a bus.

 

Some virologists/immunologist argue that you must keep getting exposed to viruses to keep your immune system strong., so they don't recommend lockdowns and masks because it brings higher risks of catching other virus diseases or getting worse symptoms.

I know of no other infectious disease that demonstrates this gender disparity.

Some light reading for you. I would have thought, as a GP, you'd know about this:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3329060/

 

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/209/suppl_3/S79/2192876

Edited September 14, 20214 yr by vfr400

Some light reading for you. I would have thought, as a GP, you'd know about this:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3329060/

 

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/209/suppl_3/S79/2192876

I'm not a GP & while I hadn't read that paper before it doesn't contradict what I said. This paper is from 2004 & mainly discusses AIDS, Malaria, schistosomiasis etc in developing countries. It also discusses health risks in pregnancy.

 

The death rate in males from COVID-19 is about 50% higher than females & I know of no other infectious disease that demonstrates this gender disparity.

There is an excellent discussion of Ivermectin in the BBC Radio Four programme 'More or Less' "Is Ivermectin a Covid ‘wonder drug’?" The conclusion is that there is no good evidence that Ivermectin is effective in prevention or treatment of COVID-19. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct2dk5

 

There is reference to the new Oxford trial that will hopefully settle the matter. https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/ivermectin-principle-trial-covid/

 

The UK has been a world leader in COVID-19 clinical trials eg the RECOVERY trial which confirmed the effectiveness of Dexamethasone & that Hydroxychlorquine was useless. https://www.recoverytrial.net

There is an excellent discussion of Ivermectin in the BBC Radio Four programme 'More or Less' "Is Ivermectin a Covid ‘wonder drug’?" The conclusion is that there is no good evidence that Ivermectin is effective in prevention or treatment of COVID-19. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct2dk5

 

There is reference to the new Oxford trial that will hopefully settle the matter. https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/ivermectin-principle-trial-covid/

 

The UK has been a world leader in COVID-19 clinical trials eg the RECOVERY trial which confirmed the effectiveness of Dexamethasone & that Hydroxychlorquine was useless. https://www.recoverytrial.net

For Christ's sake, did you not look at who's funding those trials? We already know that the BBC is corrupt as hell and just a propaganda and misinformation machine. When the biggest investors and shareholders in the vaccine fund a trial, what do you think the conclusion is going to be?

There is an excellent discussion of Ivermectin in the BBC Radio Four programme 'More or Less' "Is Ivermectin a Covid ‘wonder drug’?" The conclusion is that there is no good evidence that Ivermectin is effective in prevention or treatment of COVID-19. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct2dk5

 

Yes very good, interesting that two recent systematic reviews of 'all' the available evidence came to opposite views as to the effectiveness of Ivermectin.

 

Maybe well will have to wait for the results of the Oxford trial that the UK Government are funding.

I heard that Boris has decided not to introduce vaccine passports in the near future. Call me cynical, but I was wondering if it had anything to do with the fact that the Israeli Ministry of Health was caught on a hot mic saying to the Minister of Interior, "there is no medical or epidemiological justification for the Covid passport, it is only intended to pressure the unvaccinated to vaccinate". The two things happened on the same day.

For Christ's sake, did you not look at who's funding those trials? We already know that the BBC is corrupt as hell and just a propaganda and misinformation machine. When the biggest investors and shareholders in the vaccine fund a trial, what do you think the conclusion is going to be?

For Christ’s sake are you barking mad? Where do you get all these lunatic conspiracy theories? No, normal folk who aren’t deluded don’t think that BBC is “corrupt” or a “propaganda and misinformation machine”.

 

What’s this crap about investors & shareholders funding the trial?

 

Both PRINCIPLE & RECOVERY trials are funded by UK Research and Innovation and the National Institute for Health Research ie UK government funded.

 

https://www.principletrial.org/

https://www.recoverytrial.net/

Yes very good, interesting that two recent systematic reviews of 'all' the available evidence came to opposite views as to the effectiveness of Ivermectin.

 

Maybe well will have to wait for the results of the Oxford trial that the UK Government are funding.

That’s because the underlying trials that on which they performed the systematic reviews are rather poor. We need proper double blind trial like the PRINCIPLE trial to answer the question.

Just live on the BBC, Sajid Javid has confirmed there are no plans at present to introduce vaccine passports at this time, but to keep the option in reserve is the right thing to do.

 

So not abbandoned completly, but given this was the 'corrupt' BBC website should I assume I have just been watching a deep fake video ?

For Christ’s sake are you barking mad? Where do you get all these lunatic conspiracy theories? No, normal folk who aren’t deluded don’t think that BBC is “corrupt” or a “propaganda and misinformation machine”.

I have first hand evidence of it.

Also, do a hunt for Panodrama. John Sweeney lost his job over that one!

given this was the 'corrupt' BBC website should I assume I have just been watching a deep fake video ?

 

Not the BBC. This government goes into reverse as many times as a Yo-Yo, so whatever they announce, one only has to wait a day or so for it to become fake news!

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I'm not a GP & while I hadn't read that paper before it doesn't contradict what I said. This paper is from 2004 & mainly discusses AIDS, Malaria, schistosomiasis etc in developing countries. It also discusses health risks in pregnancy.

 

The death rate in males from COVID-19 is about 50% higher than females & I know of no other infectious disease that demonstrates this gender disparity.

 

It doesn't matter Nigel - he's a cherry picker. Oooh that's a nice red one, That'll do.

 

You are arguing with a fellow who picks what he likes and waves it about. No matter that he finds a 2004 paper about other diseases, if it fits his predisposed stand point, out it comes. My feeling is that it is a waste of time to engage people who take that approach to knowledge.

 

Right now we have in the UK, 120 covid-19 deaths a day, and 99% of those deaths are of people who are unvaccinated. Given the very high rates of vaccination in this country now, those who are unvaccinated are at vastly higher risk of harm than those who are vaccinated.

 

But - they still whinge and whine about the risks (which they clearly don't understand) and post basic errors in biology when writing about how vaccines work, and propose a conspiracy to keep people away from Ivermectin, a drug which tests have consistently found to be ineffective. Amazingly, one of them is also very keen to denounce errors about e-bike engineering, and to tell people about his credentials as an engineer (clearly implying that people ought to take regard of proven expertise - except when they are emergency medicine consultants apparently). In that case, the views of a man who repairs e-bikes are far more weighty on matters of health, immunity and vaccination. Self awareness is not a big feature of these posts.

No, normal folk who aren’t deluded don’t think that BBC is “corrupt” or a “propaganda and misinformation machine”.

 

Agreed, I don't think the BBC is routinely either of those, but I wouldn't be fool enough to believe they won't do the government's dirty work by broadcasting fake news when the government pushes them hard enough.

 

They have a record of it and have openly admitted they did it long ago to help overthrow the legitimate democratic government of Iran in favour of the Shah's dictatorship returning. I listened to their original Document program in full, and this is alluded to in the following BBC link where they admit they broadcast on behalf of our government the code word that started the internal revolution in Iran:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20050822.shtml

 

For the fuller story read this link:

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2018/11/23/when-the-bbc-did-fake-news

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The BBC even appointed a manager to be in charge of their diinformation - Mariana Spring. Here you can see on her own Linkedin page how she describes her job title as "Specialist Disinformation and Social Media Reporter at BBC".

 

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/marianna-spring-279439b6

Interesting data set. The graphs are interactive, so there is more data than at first appears.

 

Covid Data Set at the Spectator

Also, do a hunt for Panodrama.

 

I'd not heard of that, so I looked it up on IMDB.

Fascinating.

Firstly, because the IMDB rating gave it a 3.5 out of 10. Not good. And the single, main 'review' they post was a pretty scathing one. Yet when you do some digging and read ALL the reviews, the vast majority give it a 10/10. Funny that. Ho hum, so we now know the IMDB is being 'manipulated' as well for those who don't look past the obvious (I've actually noticed the exact same tactic some months ago when looking for info on a documentary about natural Cancer therapy treatments. What a surprise)

 

Here is an interesting quote from one of the reviews.

 

"I have watched the BBC all of my life and always believed that they were a true genuinely independent honest organisation... then I realised I've been lied to my entire life. it really made me question absolutely everything I believe, it's really been a long journey trying to reassess my views on everything in life after realising how I've been lied to for so many years. This is an absolute must watch for anyone who watches the BBC or pay a TV licence. .. Please just watch the entire thing with an open mind and you should be absolutely gobsmacked."

 

The documentary is on Odysee. I might watch it on the weekend. I have a feeling it might be a little 'lowbrow', but I suspect it will have some harrowing truths in it.

 

 

And then on that same theme - purely coincidentally, I was pointed earlier today to a GBnews video, where Neil Oliver (the BBC - 'coast' presenter) tells it like it is!

Here is the link.

 

But at the 4.20 mark, let me paraphrase what he says:

"I struggle to believe that for 54 years, I trusted all manner of figures ... politicians ... who I believed had my best interests at heart ... I don't think that any more, not at all ... I trusted doctors .. I now don't trust all doctors any more.

I feel betrayed by the media, which is ironic because I work in the media, but sometimes you need to be in the tent to know what's really going on in there ... I struggle to find news I can trust ... government propaganda though, that's everywhere ..."

 

Wow. I mean wow. Mainstream figures realising what's going on and being prepared to broadcast it.

Maybe there is hope.

 

Note - my default reaction is to say 'hope that people will wake up..." but in fairness, its not the general public's fault. We have been very carefully manipulated and conditioned how to think and what to believe in very specific ways from birth. The genius of it all is that we THINK we have freedom. We THINK we live in a democracy. We THINK the people in control are there to mostly do good and look after us and we can trust them (and some of them in control genuinely themselves do THINK they are doing this!). But its all a carefully contrived facade to elicit control and accumulate wealth and power.

Once you realise this, you view the world with very different eyes. But it often takes some specific events or evidence to 'wake up' - so strong is the psychological conditioning. And often, this causes severe cognitive dissonance - so much so, many people are unwilling to accept it, even in the light of overwhelming evidence.

 

Its now widely known that the first Matrix film is highly allegorical. Its not a science fiction film per se (and no ... we're not batteries to simply power an overarching AI!) its more a commentary (wrapped up in some sci-fi!) on how the population lives in an illusion - and how painful it is to wake up. "welcome to the REAL world". And in the film, the producers make it clear that most of the population simply don't want to be woken up from this comfortable, yet false reality. They have to be ready, and if they aren't ready, they will push back. They are part of the 'system'. Many simply can't accept the truth or don't want to. They'd rather live in a lie as its more comfortable.

 

Finishing this rather long post with another Matrix related item. If by the slim chance anyone is actually reading this and is interested in dipping their toe into finding out about all of this stuff, but more importantly, how to deal with it, in a practical, down to earth and non conspiracy theory fashion, I can highly recommend the (fairly new) book "The red pill revolution".

 

Its the book I'll probably end up buying this Xmas for the one or two people in my life who might just be ready to be woken up from our own real life matrix but need a fairly gentle, reasoned explanation of how the world really works. I wish I'd been given a book like this 30 years ago!

The BBC even appointed a manager to be in charge of their diinformation - Mariana Spring. Here you can see on her own Linkedin page how she describes her job title as "Specialist Disinformation and Social Media Reporter at BBC".

 

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/marianna-spring-279439b6

Snippet from LinkedIn:

> I cover disinformation shared online globally

 

You are really not doing yourself favours.

That's not 'their' disinformation, it's other people's disinformation, obvs.

 

Having said that, what on earth are you doing trusting LinkedIn as a source of hard facts anyway?

If there was ever a source of self-aggrandising bullsh*t, that is it.

Status of COVID-19

As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK. There are many diseases which can cause serious illness which are not classified as HCIDs.

 

The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

 

The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.

 

The World Health Organization (WHO) continues to consider COVID-19 as a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC), therefore the need to have a national, coordinated response remains and this is being met by the government’s COVID-19 response.

 

Cases of COVID-19 are no longer managed by HCID treatment centres only. All healthcare workers managing possible and confirmed cases should follow the updated national infection and prevention (IPC) guidance for COVID-19, which supersedes all previous IPC guidance for COVID-19. This guidance includes instructions about different personal protective equipment (PPE) ensembles that are appropriate for different clinical scenarios.

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

 

the matrix dont work if you dont comply

 

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my work coach and line manager got the sack for that one lmfao but 99.9% of people cant stand up to them and there conditionality games like do this or else ring a bell lol.

https://www.mirasafety.com/collections/featured-products/products/cm-7m-military-gas-mask

 

why not give everyone one of those ? they gave out 4 million in ww2 yet none was used but these days you can go in to full lock down and ram the supermarkets every day.