I'm extremely sceptical and suspicious about everything regarding covid. So many different people and organisations have an angle on it, whatever side they're on. There's one thing in particular that I'm still puzzled about, which I haven't had a satisfactory explanation for. The UK leaders decided that they would introduce emergency measures to deal with the apparent pandemic. "2 weeks to flatten the curve". I could understand that decision when it was made. It seemed to make sense with what was being said about the pandemic.

 

That was more than 18 months ago. Since then, the emergency measures have been extended again and again. Emergency means an unforeseen combination of circumstances or the resulting state that calls for immediate action.

 

There has never been a proper debate in parliament. There has never been a proper vote on anything either. You would have thought that as it's the most important thing at the moment that the MPs would be able to come together virtually or actually to thrash out what to do. Instead, all the decisions seem to come from unelected advisers, most of whom have dodgy backgrounds.

 

It all just seems a bit odd to me.

 

I'm going to predict that we'll be locked down over Xmas again. I got it right last year.

I'm going to predict that we'll be locked down over Xmas again. I got it right last year.

That's something we can agree on.

I'm extremely sceptical and suspicious about everything regarding covid. So many different people and organisations have an angle on it, whatever side they're on. There's one thing in particular that I'm still puzzled about, which I haven't had a satisfactory explanation for. The UK leaders decided that they would introduce emergency measures to deal with the apparent pandemic. "2 weeks to flatten the curve". I could understand that decision when it was made. It seemed to make sense with what was being said about the pandemic.

 

That was more than 18 months ago. Since then, the emergency measures have been extended again and again. Emergency means an unforeseen combination of circumstances or the resulting state that calls for immediate action.

 

There has never been a proper debate in parliament. There has never been a proper vote on anything either. You would have thought that as it's the most important thing at the moment that the MPs would be able to come together virtually or actually to thrash out what to do. Instead, all the decisions seem to come from unelected advisers, most of whom have dodgy backgrounds.

 

It all just seems a bit odd to me.

 

I'm going to predict that we'll be locked down over Xmas again. I got it right last year.

Status of COVID-19

As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK. There are many diseases which can cause serious illness which are not classified as HCIDs.

 

Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

 

Lavishly funded Moderna hits safety problems in bold bid to revolutionize medicine

 

In order to protect mRNA molecules from the body’s natural defenses, drug developers must wrap them in a protective casing. For Moderna, that meant putting its Crigler-Najjar therapy in nanoparticles made of lipids. And for its chemists, those nanoparticles created a daunting challenge: Dose too little, and you don’t get enough enzyme to affect the disease; dose too much, and the drug is too toxic for patients.

 

https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/

 

imo lock downs will start end of October and be based on cases when the $hit hits the fan!

Their was an antivaxer/denier in the news last week I think who died, they obviously took their belief to the grave with them.

Everybody will die whether they're an anti-vaxer or not! That includes you.

Everybody will die whether they're an anti-vaxer or not! That includes you.

if you catch the ebike virus you can crash in to $hit going 40mph and still no charge yet from plod, frame is fooked tho pmsl

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57486224

No, again you have it wrong. 14,000 Spanish people cross the boarder into Gibralta. How many of them were vacinated in Gibralta and what circumstances would cause them to get their vaccines in Gibralta rather than at home?

Here is just one example. Care home workers who live in Spain & work in Gibraltar. https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-12-07/the-first-spaniards-to-get-the-coronavirus-vaccine-cross-border-workers-in-gibraltar.html

No, again you have it wrong. 14,000 Spanish people cross the boarder into Gibralta. How many of them were vacinated in Gibralta and what circumstances would cause them to get their vaccines in Gibralta rather than at home?

 

Here is more explanation...

"Gibraltar, the British overseas territory next to Spain is benefitting from the UK’s vaccine rollout, by far the fastest in Europe. Over the coming days it will become the first territory in the world where all residents over 16 who wanted a jab have got one."

 

"To protect the health of the Gibraltar population, the authorities are also vaccinating some 15,000 Spaniards who work there."

 

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210401-gibraltar-reaps-rewards-of-uk-jab-success-as-complete-vaccination-nears

I am a practising doctor. I work as a consultant in Emergency Medicine. I'm seeing COVID-19 patients on a daily basis & am pretty sure that I know more about this subject than others posting on this forum.

 

That's excellent to know!

(Although you'll probably regret admitting that as you might now get a slew of questions )

 

I have one to kick off:

I'm afraid the majority of the information I listen to is from US based podcasts, so everything is biased to stuff going on the other side of the pond.

Many physicians over there has been extremely concerned over the lack of information dissemination on to how to TREAT people when they do get Covid, so websites such as:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

From the FLCCC (Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance) have been set up, by doctors, for doctors (but also with useful information for people wanting to treat at home as well).

Do we have anything like this in the UK? and/or what are the exemplar protocols over here (as in - timescales of recovery, what drugs or supplements to take) ?

 

I'm thinking of the equivalent of something like this:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/FLCCC-Protocols-%E2%80%93-A-Guide-to-the-Management-of-COVID-19.pdf

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97658-w

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97658-w

It would be very helpful if you put some sort of intro to a link when it's a very long and detailed article, otherwise we'll be unindated with random stuff that won't get read.

 

Example:

"Probenecid, which is used to treat gout and gouty arthritis, may have the potential to help Covid patients to recover. It blocks SARS-CoV-2 replication in mammalian cells and virus replication in a hamster model. It has not been tried on patients yet."

 

Although I do wonder what a hamster model is, but that sort of detail is soooo far from ebikes that it needs to stay a mystery.

https://www.betel.uk/wp-content/uploads/hamster-cycling-2.jpg

 

 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210525/Repurposed-gout-medication-%28probenecid%29-shows-potent-inhibition-of-SARS-CoV-2-replication.aspx

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/gout-medication-around-for-four-decades-showing-promise-in-treating-covid-19-uga-research-shows/ar-AAOj8Hf

That's excellent to know!

(Although you'll probably regret admitting that as you might now get a slew of questions )

 

I have one to kick off:

I'm afraid the majority of the information I listen to is from US based podcasts, so everything is biased to stuff going on the other side of the pond.

Many physicians over there has been extremely concerned over the lack of information dissemination on to how to TREAT people when they do get Covid, so websites such as:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

From the FLCCC (Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance) have been set up, by doctors, for doctors (but also with useful information for people wanting to treat at home as well).

Do we have anything like this in the UK? and/or what are the exemplar protocols over here (as in - timescales of recovery, what drugs or supplements to take) ?

 

I'm thinking of the equivalent of something like this:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/FLCCC-Protocols-–-A-Guide-to-the-Management-of-COVID-19.pdf

 

There is a lot of nonsense in those recommendations for which there is no evidence of efficacy eg Vitamin C & Ivermectin.

 

In the UK the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) publishes excellent evidence based recommendations on management & treatment https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/NG191

There is a lot of nonsense in those recommendations for which there is no evidence of efficacy eg Vitamin C & Ivermectin.

 

In the UK the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) publishes excellent evidence based recommendations on management & treatment https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/NG191

 

Thanks for the link to that UK guidance document. I've had a quick look - its very detailed indeed! I'll need a bit of time to work my way through it, but thanks again for the pointer.

 

On your comment re the FLCCC recommendations, I confess I'm a little surprised at you calling it 'nonsense'. I mean ... Vitamin C therapy is well known as a aid to recovery in a multitude of conditions, especially ones where there is oxidization and inflammation involved, so it would seem to make perfect sense to include it as part of a treatment/recovery protocol (they are not claiming that just taking vitamin C alone is a Covid cure!)

And as for Ivermectin, well ... There are multiple sources out there now showing the efficacy of its use against Covid, both as a prophylactic, and as part of a treatment regimen.

The real question about Ivermectin is not about whether its effective or not, but rather why many countries in the world (including the UK) seem to have deliberately suppressed the use of a known, safe drug that potentially could have saved thousands and thousands of lives with virtually no risk, even if it DOESN'T work (and as mentioned, there is now overwhelming evidence that it IS effective).

In fact, the the Ivermectin suppression issue is so bizarre, it really should ring alarm bells in most people capable of looking objectively at the situation!

The real question about Ivermectin is not about whether its effective or not, but rather why many countries in the world (including the UK) seem to have deliberately suppressed the use of a known, safe drug that potentially could have saved thousands and thousands of lives with virtually no risk, even if it DOESN'T work

 

Does it work ?

At work, we've noticed one thing, and that is to do with the side effects of the vaccine, especially the Oxford AZ. The side effects tend to be much much worse in those who have had covid, than in those who haven't.

 

As for ivermection, I've heard that it works as a prophylactic and a treatment. What I don't get is why it's not been more widely used/publicised.

 

Covid itself seems a weird illness in that it makes some desperately ill, and even kills them, whereas others are barely affected at all - if at all. That isn't always age dependent either. I've often wondered if a genetic factor is present.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuYeQi4wB_k

 

At work, we've noticed one thing, and that is to do with the side effects of the vaccine, especially the Oxford AZ. The side effects tend to be much much worse in those who have had covid, than in those who haven't.

 

As for ivermection, I've heard that it works as a prophylactic and a treatment. What I don't get is why it's not been more widely used/publicised.

 

Covid itself seems a weird illness in that it makes some desperately ill, and even kills them, whereas others are barely affected at all - if at all. That isn't always age dependent either. I've often wondered if a genetic factor is present.

 

One very unusual feature is that if you are male your chances of dying are about 50% higher than if you are female. I know of no other infectious disease that demonstrates this gender disparity.

 

BTW The reason that Ivermectin isn't used is because there is no good evidence that it works. As far as I can see it's just this year's Hydroxychloroquine & just as useless.

One very unusual feature is that if you are male your chances of dying are about 50% higher than if you are female. I know of no other infectious disease that demonstrates this gender disparity.

 

BTW The reason that Ivermectin isn't used is because there is no good evidence that it works. As far as I can see it's just this year's Hydroxychloroquine & just as useless.

 

Well, you say that, but in some countries, the mortality rate from covid is higher among women - link

 

For me the jury's still out on ivermectin. I'm not sure any of us know enough about it to make anything other than an inspired guess. Given that some seem convinced of its efficacy, I'd seriously like to see more evidence one way or the other.

For me the jury's still out on ivermectin. I'm not sure any of us know enough about it to make anything other than an inspired guess. Given that some seem convinced of its efficacy, I'd seriously like to see more evidence one way or the other.

 

There are a number of sources out there. I'll see if I can dig some links out later when I have time.

For now probably worth looking at this (might be some links in this as well), and do it ASAP - because it will be pulled in the next day or so (why that is the case, is a travesty in its own right, but maybe more on that later).

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/09/13/horse-dewormer-ivermectin.aspx

At work, we've noticed one thing, and that is to do with the side effects of the vaccine, especially the Oxford AZ. The side effects tend to be much much worse in those who have had covid, than in those who haven't.

 

That's an interesting observation. But it confirms some discussions I heard way back at the start of all of this, when certain medical researchers were warning that could be the case.

What I don't understand is - if you have already had Covid (and thus would have acquired natural immunity), why would you then want to get the jab AS WELL ??

if you have already had Covid (and thus would have acquired natural immunity), why would you then want to get the jab AS WELL ??

 

Getting Covid-19 doesn't confer full immunity, nothing like it. Many have already caught it more than once. The jabs greatly reduce the effects of Covid when it is caught, meaning far less risk of hospitalisation so they are well worth having.

 

However, it's already being noticed the the jabs benefit is wearing off over time, so that may be what is happening with the antibodies we make after catching Covid. This would explain why it can be caught more than once, our bodies attempts at immunity fading as the months go by.

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As for ivermection, I've heard that it works as a prophylactic and a treatment. What I don't get is why it's not been more widely used/publicised.

 

Well ... that is the million dollar question. Or more accurately, the multi billion dollar question!

 

For those people who haven't been following the (often suppressed and/or censored) discussions on this, then strap on your conspiracy theory hat and know that:

All of these Covid jabs that have been rushed to market, have not gone through the normal testing methodology, don't have normal approval, and the only way they could be rolled out was under EUA (emergency use authorization) which is designed for extreme situations, such as a a biological weapon being deployed in a war etc.

However even in these extreme circumstances, some safeguards have been written in to the EUA because of the foreseen dangers of using untested therapies.

One of these, is that you cannot have EUA for an untested therapy such as these mRNA injections if there already exists an alternative therapy that does have approval and could be repurposed.

Therefore if the governments admitted that Ivermectin was effective, then that would invalidate the EUA on the mRNA vaccinations and they couldn't be used until they had gone though the usual years and years of testing.

 

Worth noting that Ivermectin had been issued to humans literally billions of times over decades and decades of use and thus is known to be extremely safe. And also worth noting that its been out there such a long time, then the patent on it has expired, therefore the drug companies can't make huge profits from selling it as its now a generic drug and it can be made for pennies a tablet.

 

All of the above is fairly easily confirmed, but for myself, I'd not seen it discussed or debated in the British press. I had to find it out from alternative sources.

From the WikiPedia page on Ivermectin;

 

Ivermectin has antiviral effects against several distinct positive-sense single-strand RNA viruses, including SARS-CoV-2. Subsequent studies found that ivermectin could inhibit replication of SARS-CoV-2 in monkey kidney cell culture with an IC50 of 2.2–2.8 μM. Based on this information, however, doses much higher than the maximum approved or safely achievable for use in humans would be required for an antiviral effect. Aside from practical difficulties, such high doses are not covered by current human-use approvals of the drug and would be toxic, as the antiviral mechanism of action is considered to operate by the suppression of a host cellular process, specifically the inhibition of nuclear transport by importin. Self-medication with a highly concentrated formula intended for horses has led to numerous hospitalizations, and overdose can lead to death, possibly due to interaction with other medications. To resolve uncertainties from previous small or poor-quality studies, as of June 2021, large scale trials are underway in the United States and the United Kingdom.

 

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The viral social media misinformation about ivermectin has gained particular attention in South Africa where an anti-vaccination group called "South Africa Has A Right To Ivermectin" has been lobbying for the drug to be made available for prescription. Another group, the "Ivermectin Interest Group" launched a court case against the South African Health Products Regulatory Authority (SAHPRA), and as a result a compassionate use exemption was granted. SAPHRA stated in April 2021 that "At present, there are no approved treatments for COVID-19 infections."

 

Despite the absence of high-quality evidence to suggest any efficacy and advice to the contrary, some governments have allowed its off-label use for prevention and treatment of COVID-19. Countries that have granted such official approval for ivermectin include the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Mexico, Peru (later rescinded), India (later rescinded), and the Colombian city of Cali.

For those people who haven't been following the (often suppressed and/or censored) discussions on this....

 

BTW - if anyone is interested and wants to know a little bit more about the back story to all of this, I'd strongly recommend watching/listening to this episode of Dr Brett Weinstein's Dark Horse Podcast:

"COVID, Ivermectin, and the Crime of the Century - DarkHorse Podcast with Pierre Kory & Bret Weinstein"

 

https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f/COVID-Ivermectin-and-the-Crime-of-the-Century-DarkHorse-Podcast-with-Pierre-Kory-Bret-Weinstein:f

 

Note - this is a LONG video. And you need to skip forward to the 5 min mark to start as it was originally a live broadcast on youtube so there is 5 min of nothing. I think he did that deliberately as he guessed it might get pulled, and yup - it did! Except if you do end up listening to the whole thing, you should end up being very, very frightened of what's going on in the world, because if straightforward, intelligent scientific discussion like that gets pulled and censored, well then you know that very shady things are afoot in the world!

 

You might be able to get the episode as an audio podcast - that's how I first heard it, as I subscribe to Brett's channel. His intellect and calm headed approach to matters really inspire me, as do those of his wife Dr Heather Heying who also is often on the Dark Horse Podcast.

Note that they are both Evolutionary Biologists - its not primarily a medical channel, but they've recently been compelled to discuss various contemporary issues because ... well ... they might actually be a matter of life and death !!