Hi all,

I recently posted a thread regarding belt v chain and derailleur v hub. After I had the replies I had convinced myself I wanted a Bosch hub rive with Nexus hub and chain as this seemed to offer the best compromise. However the bike I selected that matched this criteria is no longer available, (Raleigh Motus GT open frame). So I am having a rethink. I am still looking at a budget of around £2.5k. Minimum is hub drive and 500 battery, (and preferably hub drive).

 

There is a dealer (very) local to us that sells Volt bikes, however these seem to be fitted with a Shimano drive system? Is there much to choose between Shimano and Bosch? Internet research suggests the latest Bosch may be the better system?

 

Also nearly all the bikes I see only seem to offer derailleur, which while not being a deal breaker is still not my preferred option. I am starting to think that perhaps the "standard" Nexus 7 speed hub gear is causing problems so manufacturers are staying with the derailleur option?

 

I accept that as I have plenty of time to think about this given "lockdown" I am probably over thinking things. While I am really keen to get an e-bike I am reluctant to buy over the 'tinternet without having a test ride first and all our local dealers are closed and I accept it's not really an essential journey at the mo so will have to wait until restrictions are lifted.

Evans still listing several as in stock

 

https://www.evanscycles.com/electric-bikes/electric-hybrid-bikes_c/raleigh-brand?sort=price_inc_vat

and search/scan for Nexus.

Many lowstep show as in 'stock'.

Most of the crossbar seem to say 'at remote warehouse' for stock ... I'm not sure what that means.

 

Also Rutland for a Cube

https://www.rutlandcycling.com/bikes/electric-bikes/cube-town-hybrid-exc-400-2019-electric-hybrid-bike-black_462971?currency=GBP&chosenAttribute=23220054&gclid=Cj0KCQjwy6T1BRDXARIsAIqCTXpOEbac_ifxkAK3pra-n6kHNSWdOzCCCXDpqxiGhS6J5cwhtgwgyOAaAqFZEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

I'd advise you a test ride or two before making your mind up only using t'internet .

..thanks for the replies, as far as I can see the Evans bikes are mainly derailleur or for the Nexus option low steps rather than open frames?

 

Cube have not been on my radar so will have a look at these...

 

Just had a look at the Rutlands website but the tech specs, (were I can find any) seen to differ from the descriptions? eg "500" motus is actually supplied with a 400 battery, "Hub" mentioned in description but bike pictured is derailleur and no specs available?...all a bit confusing. Perhaps most people aren't bothered...

Edited April 29, 20206 yr by Stubod

Cube certainly have a good name (as Raleigh used to).

 

It's irritating when websites get the specs wrong. I think they were right in the one I referenced (400 model with 400w battery, and both picture and specs showed Nexus hub. I can see some of their others have inconsistent details listed/pictured; like the 500

https://www.rutlandcycling.com/bikes/electric-bikes/cube-town-hybrid-exc-500-2019-electric-hybrid-bike-black_462972 listed with 400w battery (probably that's the error).

 

A lot of the hub geared Bosch bikes have Magura rim brakes; our older (2016) 2nd hand Rakeigh Motus and this Cube. I find them a real fiddle to adjust. Looking at the picture of the Cube it has the rear one mounted in an odd place that would make adjustment even more awkward, and collect crud easily too.

What about the Giant Dailytour +1? If you get the 2019 model through Tredz it will be around your budget. I'm particularly interested in this bike and am about to call my local Giant store who have just re-opened today. The other bike to consider is the Raleigh Centros Grand Tour. Deals to be had on the Raleigh website if you buy before 31st May.

 

Both have disc brakes, hub gears, crank motors and belt drive for ease of maintenance.

 

https://www.tredz.co.uk/.Giant-DailyTour-E-1-2019-Electric-Hybrid-Bike_200681.htm

 

https://www.raleigh.co.uk/24992-centros-grand-tour-crossbar

What about the Giant Dailytour +1? If you get the 2019 model through Tredz it will be around your budget. I'm particularly interested in this bike and am about to call my local Giant store who have just re-opened today. The other bike to consider is the Raleigh Centros Grand Tour. Deals to be had on the Raleigh website if you buy before 31st May.

 

Both have disc brakes, hub gears, crank motors and belt drive for ease of maintenance.

 

https://www.tredz.co.uk/.Giant-DailyTour-E-1-2019-Electric-Hybrid-Bike_200681.htm

 

https://www.raleigh.co.uk/24992-centros-grand-tour-crossbar

 

Hi and thanks for the info. I like the look of the Giant but I don't think they use the Bosch motors? (I will check). I have also noted the current Centros deals and this could be the one for me? ..although not a particularly "nice" looking bike, it is still not bad. Just fancied a test ride first if I am spending north of £2k, but may not have much of an option!

 

Also just checked and the Giant on offer at Tredz are only available in Small or large...and I am medium!

The Centros blurb says This battery is exclusive to our Centros range and is capable of delivering up to 225km of effortless performance from a single charge.

I don't know if this means it is a standard Bosch integrated battery (very expensive to replace) and by 'exclusive' they mean Centros is the only Raleigh range to use it; or if they really mean exclusive, which is likely to mean very very expensive to replace in a few years time.

The Centros blurb says This battery is exclusive to our Centros range and is capable of delivering up to 225km of effortless performance from a single charge.

I don't know if this means it is a standard Bosch integrated battery (very expensive to replace) and by 'exclusive' they mean Centros is the only Raleigh range to use it; or if they really mean exclusive, which is likely to mean very very expensive to replace in a few years time.

 

,,good point, just when I though I had made my mind up I have something new to think about.. ....!

The Centros blurb says This battery is exclusive to our Centros range and is capable of delivering up to 225km of effortless performance from a single charge.

I don't know if this means it is a standard Bosch integrated battery (very expensive to replace) and by 'exclusive' they mean Centros is the only Raleigh range to use it; or if they really mean exclusive, which is likely to mean very very expensive to replace in a few years time.

It’s a standard Bosch Powertube battery.

It’s a standard Bosch Powertube battery.

 

..cool, thaks for that, back to plan B, (....probably)

Hi and thanks for the info. I like the look of the Giant but I don't think they use the Bosch motors? (I will check). I have also noted the current Centros deals and this could be the one for me? ..although not a particularly "nice" looking bike, it is still not bad. Just fancied a test ride first if I am spending north of £2k, but may not have much of an option!

 

Also just checked and the Giant on offer at Tredz are only available in Small or large...and I am medium!

AFAIK, the Giant Dailytour is only available in small and medium (just looked at the manufacturer website) so Tredz probably have it incorrectly listed. Also, are Bosch motors better in any way than the Yamaha ones that Giant uses? I don’t know much about it myself, just interested.....

AFAIK, the Giant Dailytour is only available in small and medium (just looked at the manufacturer website) so Tredz probably have it incorrectly listed. Also, are Bosch motors better in any way than the Yamaha ones that Giant uses? I don’t know much about it myself, just interested.....

 

..like most things, I don't think it's that clear cut. A recent Which report on various motors seemed to suggest that Bosch came out "best" but only by a percent or so on their scale. Quite a few reviews on the internet, but again nothing suggesting one is significantly better than the other. (There is also Shimano Steps which have some good write ups...).

I look forward to seeing other peoples opinions on the subject...

Hi again, I contacted Raliegh ref the Centros battery and they have confirmed it is a "standard" Bosch tube battery as per the above post...

..decision made, just ordered a Raleigh Centros GT, hub gears and belt drive....hope it's the right choice!!

Enjoy

..decision made, just ordered a Raleigh Centros GT, hub gears and belt drive....hope it's the right choice!!

Please keep us updated. Enjoy.

..decision made, just ordered a Raleigh Centros GT, hub gears and belt drive....hope it's the right choice!!

Looking forward to hearing what you think

Looking forward to hearing what you think

..well it finally landed today and I have spent a good couple of hours getting it set up / adjusting things to suit me.

I originally wanted the "mid size", (they do small, medium and large). The "medium size" is for around 5ft 9 to 6ft 2, (or thereabouts) and I am just over 5ft 9. However when I went to purchase the bike all the mid sized ones had sold out with no more due in until October! I therefore took a bit of a risk and went for the "small" size. Must admit I am glad I did as with my feet on the floor the cross bar is very close to a certain region, (I am too old for kids anyway).

It was an absolute pig to the battery cover off and the battery out, (broke a nail). But once I did get it out and applied a bit of oil it seems to be a bit more straightforward. (Probably "too new")

So far I have only cycled up and down our bit of road while I get the seat height, handlebars and levers etc set up to suit. Already noted how smooth and quite the belt drive system is, and the 8 speed Nexus gears seem very smooth!

 

The Bosch intuvia system is great and seems simple enough to use, (not sure of the purpose of the USB port but I guess I will have to have a google).

 

General quality of the bike seems OK. I took a punt on ordering online, I would have much preferred to "see and feel" before parting with that sort of cash.

 

My first choice was going to be the Raliegh Motus GT, but I could not find one with a crossbar and hub drive. However the Centros was advertised with £500+ off list so it was more or less the same price the same price as the Motus.

 

Battery on charge tonight and planning maiden voyage tomorrow if the weather is OK. (OH will be on her Giant Prime as a comparison). Will report back after our first ride!

enjoy ... I'm sure you will

you can charge a phone ect from the usb port but it is only 500ma output but you can also charge the display off the bike if you need to.

..well it finally landed today and I have spent a good couple of hours getting it set up / adjusting things to suit me.

I originally wanted the "mid size", (they do small, medium and large). The "medium size" is for around 5ft 9 to 6ft 2, (or thereabouts) and I am just over 5ft 9. However when I went to purchase the bike all the mid sized ones had sold out with no more due in until October! I therefore took a bit of a risk and went for the "small" size. Must admit I am glad I did as with my feet on the floor the cross bar is very close to a certain region, (I am too old for kids anyway).

It was an absolute pig to the battery cover off and the battery out, (broke a nail). But once I did get it out and applied a bit of oil it seems to be a bit more straightforward. (Probably "too new")

So far I have only cycled up and down our bit of road while I get the seat height, handlebars and levers etc set up to suit. Already noted how smooth and quite the belt drive system is, and the 8 speed Nexus gears seem very smooth!

 

The Bosch intuvia system is great and seems simple enough to use, (not sure of the purpose of the USB port but I guess I will have to have a google).

 

General quality of the bike seems OK. I took a punt on ordering online, I would have much preferred to "see and feel" before parting with that sort of cash.

 

My first choice was going to be the Raliegh Motus GT, but I could not find one with a crossbar and hub drive. However the Centros was advertised with £500+ off list so it was more or less the same price the same price as the Motus.

 

Battery on charge tonight and planning maiden voyage tomorrow if the weather is OK. (OH will be on her Giant Prime as a comparison). Will report back after our first ride!

 

Intuvia charges your smartphone via the USB port, for example, while you are riding.

OK, so since unpacking and setting up I have now completed 2 "rides", both my usual 12 mile route up to now I have been doing on my OHs Giant Prime e-bike, and so far so good!

 

The Centros (Bosch) motor system combined with a Nexus hub and belt is really quite, and I am pleased (at least at the moment!), that I opted for this option.

 

As expected the "quoted" range (225k) is probably based on a processional cyclist weighing 7 stone, cycling on the flat with a following wind. I am not sure how the system calculates "range left" but I think it is probably only based on the last mile or two of cycling. After my first trip, (flatish but with a couple of small rises) it was saying 80 miles left.

When I started my second trip after the first couple of miles it had dropped by 25 miles (showing a range of 55miles, initially a gentle incline but a fairly strong wind), however at the end of the trip it was indicating 70 miles left? So probably not that much use a s a guide and I would prefer a simple "percentage left" as per the Giant display. The battery indicator dropped its first (of 5 bars) around 23 miles. As recommended, I will try and flatten the battery before it has it's first re-charge so I will have a better idea of range after this.

 

Most of my journeys are on "ECO" setting with the occasional hill warranting a boost to the 3 (of 4) power settings. ECO mode still requires a reasonable degree of input, but the short time I did try the second (Tour?) setting things got noticeably easier! For the steep bits it didn't seem to quite match the performance (torque) of the Giant (Yamaha motor), but still perfectly OK.

 

I am finding the bike very comfortable even with the standard sadle, which at the moment I don't think I will change.

 

The Intuvia display and controls both seem to work really well and the system is very intuitive, (haven't even read the manual yet!).

 

All the fittings seem to be of good quality, but I am still surprised they don't fit a wing mirror? I got one of Amazon that mounts in the end of the handlebar.

 

Also not really keen on the "revers pedal brake", (did not realise it had this), but probably just need to get used to it.

 

Would I buy one again? Probably not at the original RRP but with the discount it has made it more attractive. So at the moment I am happy with it and I hope it proves to be reliable.

OK, so since unpacking and setting up I have now completed 2 "rides", both my usual 12 mile route up to now I have been doing on my OHs Giant Prime e-bike, and so far so good!

 

The Centros (Bosch) motor system combined with a Nexus hub and belt is really quite, and I am pleased (at least at the moment!), that I opted for this option.

 

As expected the "quoted" range (225k) is probably based on a processional cyclist weighing 7 stone, cycling on the flat with a following wind. I am not sure how the system calculates "range left" but I think it is probably only based on the last mile or two of cycling. After my first trip, (flatish but with a couple of small rises) it was saying 80 miles left.

When I started my second trip after the first couple of miles it had dropped by 25 miles (showing a range of 55miles, initially a gentle incline but a fairly strong wind), however at the end of the trip it was indicating 70 miles left? So probably not that much use a s a guide and I would prefer a simple "percentage left" as per the Giant display. The battery indicator dropped its first (of 5 bars) around 23 miles. As recommended, I will try and flatten the battery before it has it's first re-charge so I will have a better idea of range after this.

 

Most of my journeys are on "ECO" setting with the occasional hill warranting a boost to the 3 (of 4) power settings. ECO mode still requires a reasonable degree of input, but the short time I did try the second (Tour?) setting things got noticeably easier! For the steep bits it didn't seem to quite match the performance (torque) of the Giant (Yamaha motor), but still perfectly OK.

 

I am finding the bike very comfortable even with the standard sadle, which at the moment I don't think I will change.

 

The Intuvia display and controls both seem to work really well and the system is very intuitive, (haven't even read the manual yet!).

 

All the fittings seem to be of good quality, but I am still surprised they don't fit a wing mirror? I got one of Amazon that mounts in the end of the handlebar.

 

Also not really keen on the "revers pedal brake", (did not realise it had this), but probably just need to get used to it.

 

Would I buy one again? Probably not at the original RRP but with the discount it has made it more attractive. So at the moment I am happy with it and I hope it proves to be reliable.

Be great to see some pics!

Hi Stubod,

Just read up on this thread and also learns others re-ebikes , as i admit i dont know anything about e bikes at all , but im for now trying to get to know some things about them , and this site i just joined shall be of help .

 

Also im in the search as looking to purchase an e bike , although not in any great rush but is good of you posting as lets others also see how people get on with

their bike/s that they have purchased , and good to get to know how

they get along in time with their e bike/s in the future ?

 

Hopefully all goes smooth riding for you and be good to know how things

went, meanwhile all the best of riding .