January 25, 20233 yr https://www.trefecta-rdr.com/order-trefecta-rdr/ that will get you a 4000w motor if you get the custom version and that will kick the bafangs ass but at a heavy price.
January 25, 20233 yr Author https://www.trefecta-rdr.com/order-trefecta-rdr/ that will get you a 4000w motor if you get the custom version and that will kick the bafangs ass but at a heavy price. Thats the best I’ve seen. Its expensive but to me it’s a bargain compared to high end FS bikes. I understand that for people that use them properly that’s different. My worry would be that it would attract the police. It’s doesn’t look like your average mountain bike. I’ve had enough hassle with the police over the last few years. Even more frustrating when they haven’t bothered coming out after 2 house break ins and someone shooting at my pick up with 8 witnesses. They said he was driving a pool car and they couldn’t trace it. Id never heard of a “pool car”.
January 25, 20233 yr look at it like this no matter what you spend if plod gets hold of it you will need to provide insurance to get it back. if you got the haibike thats still cheaper than 2 bike ahead wheels and a dongle that can be removed so it can be made road legal again. i have a badass dongle that slides over the speed sensor so it can be removed in seconds but i have never had a problem with the police or my m8 with his bafang. so why not get both use the haibike for off road stuff and the bafang for work and still be under 5k.
January 25, 20233 yr I don’t necessarily want a £10k ebike. I just initially, wrongly assumed that they would be really well built and reliable. I will still keep my eye on eBay for any local bikes at a good price. I don’t know enough to buy anything that is well used. My commute is 3 days a week outside of rush hour with some steep hills and a few shortcuts off road. Im beginning to think a Chinese frame with a high powered bafang or similar is my best option. I liked the suggestions Soundwave made. Slightly nervous about any carbon frame though, let alone a Chinese one. The only new bike I’ve seen that tempts me is the cf Haibike for £3k. Seems a bargain to everything else, but I’d prefer a more powerful motor. There is a lot of woodland and trails where I live. The area I’m moving to even more so. The expensive ebikes are more performance bikes its like buying a Ferrari or McLaren, a nicer experience with a bit more power but much more complicated with reliability issues. A hub motor ebike is more like a Toyota Corolla, a bit more boring and not as powerful but dependable and simple to service and repair. Performance products are typically shorter life. In fact many manuals will warn the user about their compromised lifespan and weaknesses. Download the Giant manual and look at their warnings for road bicycles. Of course dealers won't tell you that, they want to make the sale but I think the certification requires appropriate warnings in the supplied documentation.
January 25, 20233 yr Author look at it like this no matter what you spend if plod gets hold of it you will need to provide insurance to get it back. if you got the haibike thats still cheaper than 2 bike ahead wheels and a dongle that can be removed so it can be made road legal again. i have a badass dongle that slides over the speed sensor so it can be removed in seconds but i have never had a problem with the police or my m8 with his bafang. so why not get both use the haibike for off road stuff and the bafang for work and still be under 5k. I really have not got the space unfortunately . Just sold my car to make space on the drive. Still got a pick up and a lease hatch. I’ve got generators and paint machines taking up a lot of space and a stack of tools. Making space for one has been a struggle. The police issue is why I want to be discreet as possible. Internal battery would be ideal. I’ve been looking at the dengfu frames. They seem to work well the bafang motors.
January 25, 20233 yr https://www.frey.bike/ Seem a bit cheap to me. If you have money to burn go for an "Optibike". https://optibike.com/electric-bikes/ TTFN John.
January 26, 20233 yr Author Frey bikes seem like a option for sure. Discreet with more power than the Bosch/Yamaha/Shimano/brose. Optibikes look great but no way the police would drive past one. I’d love a sur ron for the price, but I don’t think their peddle kit fools anyone. I did see these on eBay. Was thinking of maybe buying a frame like that, with a better motor and front end. Is it possible to fit a bafang motor to a existing Bosch or brose ebike?
January 26, 20233 yr Def the best looking ebike I’ve seen. [ATTACH type=full" alt="0997703B-85E7-49E8-9BC8-AEEFBC379015.png]50119[/ATTACH] If Darth Vader rode an Ebike. TTFN John.
January 26, 20233 yr [ATTACH type=full" alt="MerkavaMk4_ZE001m.jpg]50117[/ATTACH] if i had the money id get one of those Ask Volodymyr Zelenskyy He might be able to spare one. TTFN John.
January 26, 20233 yr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlxZs2-gICc:751 But does it have pedals and a bell? TTFN John.
January 26, 20233 yr I don’t necessarily want a £10k ebike. I just initially, wrongly assumed that they would be really well built and reliable. I will still keep my eye on eBay for any local bikes at a good price. I don’t know enough to buy anything that is well used. My commute is 3 days a week outside of rush hour with some steep hills and a few shortcuts off road. Im beginning to think a Chinese frame with a high powered bafang or similar is my best option. I liked the suggestions Soundwave made. Slightly nervous about any carbon frame though, let alone a Chinese one. The only new bike I’ve seen that tempts me is the cf Haibike for £3k. Seems a bargain to everything else, but I’d prefer a more powerful motor. There is a lot of woodland and trails where I live. The area I’m moving to even more so. I thought a 250W Yamaha motor on a Giant Trance E+3 sounded wimpy after using a 350W rear Bafang hub on a DIY job on another well used Giant full suspension frame. But not a bit of it! The mid motor is amazingly powerfull as I found out on taking it to Switzerland for a week in the mountains in 2019. And all nicely legal too. Which was why it was bought as I was not sure of the Swiss response to a throttle powered DIY job. Don't forget, fit a monster motor and your range will go down a fair bit and if you are involved in an accident, then the fact that your motor is illegal if over 250W may come to haunt you.
January 26, 20233 yr Author I thought a 250W Yamaha motor on a Giant Trance E+3 sounded wimpy after using a 350W rear Bafang hub on a DIY job on another well used Giant full suspension frame. But not a bit of it! The mid motor is amazingly powerfull as I found out on taking it to Switzerland for a week in the mountains in 2019. And all nicely legal too. Which was why it was bought as I was not sure of the Swiss response to a throttle powered DIY job. Don't forget, fit a monster motor and your range will go down a fair bit and if you are involved in an accident, then the fact that your motor is illegal if over 250W may come to haunt you. The carbon Haibike for £3k with the Yamaha seems like a bit of a bargain compared to everything else new. I understand your fear of the Swiss police. Their speeding fines are mean tested and horrific. I imagine they are strict on bikes too. I would never push my luck with anything too powerful or that looks more like a sur ron or stealth bomber. But I was hoping a Dengfu E22 frame and bafang ultra m620 would look standard enough not to interest the police? I have no intention of riding around at 40mph or through busy traffic. 3 options im considering are, New Haibike, but I’m guessing derestricting it would void the warranty? If it’s detectable? Used bike most likely from ebay, derestricted Levo, Whyte or similar. Dengfu E22 frame and Bafang m620.
January 26, 20233 yr https://www.e-bikeshop.co.uk/products/yamaha-ebike-speed-tuning-dongle-kit?variant=42601796796654 you can have a dongle and warranty but you can only get this from them but wont work with pwx 3 atm
January 26, 20233 yr Author https://www.e-bikeshop.co.uk/products/yamaha-ebike-speed-tuning-dongle-kit?variant=42601796796654 you can have a dongle and warranty but you can only get this from them but wont work with pwx 3 atm Older bikes seem to work better with dongles. Has the Yamaha got gps like the new Bosch? That seems like a real PITA
January 26, 20233 yr no they just have a basic lcd remote, gps only works when i link my phone to the kiox display via Bluetooth. tho it will still record the mileage ect it just wont have the map data without the phone.
January 26, 20233 yr Author It seems gps is going to be a issue with new motors going forward. If gps is monitoring speed I’m guessing that’s hard to work around?
January 26, 20233 yr there not there yet but it looks like thats where it is going and if so no dongle will work. or do this https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=93831
January 26, 20233 yr Author I find it amazing that for the price, they use plastic gears. I’ve been reading about solutions today as there is a 2023 cube 160 with 88 miles for sale locally for a really good price. Just found out its XL which is too big for me. Id be happy to have a derestricted 250w bike if the bafang 620 is too much of a risk? What do you think of the Dengfu frames?
January 26, 20233 yr https://www.emtbforums.com/threads/dengfu-e22-frame-thread.26880/ id never get a bike with a carbon frame no matter how much it costs as it isn't f1 quality and far from it. id go for the bafang and a alloy frame but you can never make that bike road legal as most ppl think they can set it to 16mph and 250w and it does not work like that as the fact you can change these settings means it has a off road mode or switch. a dongle just removes the speed limit it has no way to add more power from the controller.
January 26, 20233 yr I find it amazing that for the price, they use plastic gears. Plastic gears are much quieter; and very easy and cheap to replace unless the manufacturer insists on anti-repair technology. They can also help reduce wear on more critical components if the motor is abused.
January 26, 20233 yr Author When I started looking carbon was something I wanted to avoid because I was looking at used bikes and was wary of hidden damage. The Dengfu frames seem to have a good reputation. I imagined Chinese carbon would be awful. I remember reading about Chinese carbon frames snapping years ago. The main reason I was looking at them is that the bafang 620 just slots straight in, and the batteries are in the down tube. I thought it looks like a mountain bike and wouldn’t interest the police. The Haibike is also carbon. Maybe a decent derestricted alloy used bike is a better option? I seen a Levo chip that claims up to 72kph. More than quick enough for me.
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