Well it won’t show motor temperature because the G060 isn’t fitted with a temperature sensor.

 

I fitted an LM35 sensor to my Bafang motor and removed the wheel speed sensor, so I could use the white wire for measuring temperature.

Well it won’t show motor temperature because the G060 isn’t fitted with a temperature sensor.

 

I fitted an LM35 sensor to my Bafang motor and removed the wheel speed sensor, so I could use the white wire for measuring temperature.

 

Are you oil cooling your 35A controller too, or is that not necessary?

 

I suspect the OP might need a better battery for safety, if he wants to install that controller upgrade.

Edited March 17, 20242 yr by guerney

My controller is just mounted onto a 4mm aluminium plate bolted to the frame.

 

I suspect the standard Rad battery would be overwhelmed by a 35 amp controller.

Almost forgot - do you know of a cooler ebike on the market? I don't.

 

Appreciate your input.

 

De gustibus non est disputandum.

 

To be honest with you I think most cyclists would classify your bike as a moped or a bike/moped hybrid for the reason Thelarkbox mentioned above. Did you try to ride your bike without assistance? If you didn't, then try.

Bikes like yours are very popular in USA and people use them with 750-1000W motors and full throttles as mopeds. They are not so popular in Europe mainly because legal 250W motors are not powerful enough for them.

 

What I don't like about your bike:

Super heavy, single speed, fat tyres, massive rear rack (designed for passenger?). Mechanical disc brakes at this price? Controller is under BB? Quite unfortunate choice. Very expensive for what it is. 25 miles range is really low. Not my cup of tea entirely.

It looks cool though - I give you that (apart from bizarre rear rack)

 

Also I have a funny feeling it might not be entirely legal. Does it have twist and go throttle?

 

I wonder why did you buy this bike in the first place? Why ride Rad? It is a very good question, but your vlog does not answer it.

Edited March 18, 20242 yr by Az.

I’m running a Bafang G020 at 35 Amps and 52 volts (on private property with the owner’s permission).

 

These Bafang motors can take a lot of power. But I did have to oil cool the G020. I think the G060 can be run at that level without oil cooling.

Just out of interest, how high could you go without cooling ? (I have a G020 with 48v 15 amp controller which seems fine for me and I don't think I could go any higher because I don't know of a more powerful controller that has a bottom bracket torque sensor input)

I did have to introduce some ventilation to cool the controller because on really long steep hills I could overheat the controller on top assist level

I have read that it can be run at 1000 watts without cooling. But I have also seen plenty of YouTube videos with burned up phase wiring.

I can't imagine cycling a 36kg bike with no gears and a legal 250 watt motor up a hill. The later Rad-Runner versions at least had gears (and suspension IIRC).

It’s only the Radrunner 2 that is single speed. All of the other Rads have 7 speed Gears.

 

Americans don’t like peddling , so they wouldn’t know what to do with the gears.

Just out of interest, how high could you go without cooling ? (I have a G020 with 48v 15 amp controller which seems fine for me and I don't think I could go any higher because I don't know of a more powerful controller that has a bottom bracket torque sensor input)

I did have to introduce some ventilation to cool the controller because on really long steep hills I could overheat the controller on top assist level

Rather than thinking in that direction, it would be better to think about choosing stuff that's more suitable for your needs. Motor speed is the most important characteristic. You can go quite high on power without having to cover deficiencies when your motor is running efficiently. A nice controller with the correct power algorithm that allows you to get the power you want when you need it is also more useful than stupid torque sensors that make your electric bike feel more like an unassisted one. Remember, you wanted an electric bike for some reason.

De gustibus non est disputandum.

 

To be honest with you I think most cyclists would classify your bike as a moped or a bike/moped hybrid for the reason Thelarkbox mentioned above. Did you try to ride your bike without assistance? If you didn't, then try.

Bikes like yours are very popular in USA and people use them with 750-1000W motors and full throttles as mopeds. They are not so popular in Europe mainly because legal 250W motors are not powerful enough for them.

 

Super heavy bike, single speed, fat tyres, massive rear rack (designed for passenger?). Mechanical disc brakes at this price? Controller is under BB? Quite unfortunate choice. Very expensive for what it is. 25 miles range is really low. Not my cup of tea entirely.

It looks cool though - I give you that (apart from bizarre rear rack)

 

Also I have a funny feeling it might not be entirely legal. Does it have twist and go throttle?

 

I wonder why did you buy this bike in the first place? Why ride Rad? It is a very good question, but your vlog does not answer it.

Hi Az. - I know why I Ride Rad, it's a truly versatile utility ebike for starters, very robust, the fat-tyres help with traction with the addition of both the seat post & gel seat helps with comfort, and the cherry on the cake is the Eggrider v2, which means I can pedal up steep inclines without losing my initial speed - what's not to like? Appreciate the input.

I can't imagine cycling a 36kg bike with no gears and a legal 250 watt motor up a hill. The later Rad-Runner versions at least had gears (and suspension IIRC).

Hi Cyclebuddy - With the addition of the Eggrider v2, cycling steep inclines is a breeze, even with a no-nonsense single gear. Appreciate the input. Ride Rad

Here you go. It’s expensive though, but saves having to butcher the wiring.

 

https://biggamebikes.com/product/35-amp-controller-upgrade-and-display-for-rad-power-bikes/

Hi AGS - Why not simply install the Eggrider v2? It's by far the pimpliest and easiest upgrade for The Radrunner. Appreciate the input. Ride rad

It’s only the Radrunner 2 that is single speed. All of the other Rads have 7 speed Gears.

 

Americans don’t like peddling , so they wouldn’t know what to do with the gears.

hI ags - Radrunner 1 is also single-geared. Ride Rad

Hi AGS - Why not simply install the Eggrider v2? It's by far the pimpliest and easiest upgrade for The Radrunner. Appreciate the input. Ride rad

How do you use Eggrider to get up hills. I thought it was just an interface to change controller parameters. How do you use it during a rise.

Hi saneagle - Because the Eggrider releases all the Torque of the 500W Bafang motor, it means that I can climb steep inclines without loosing any speed as I pedal, there is a really good video that explaining what the Eggrider v2 brings to the Radrunner, it's from Big Game Bikes, where I bought my Eggrider form, the guy who owns BGB (Gareth) goes through what the Eggrider is, and what it can do for a Radrunner, please see below link:

 

 

Thanks for the input.

 

Ride Rad

Have you increased top speed to beyond 15.5mph? That does indeed make a bike a pleasure to ride. I do miss Banfanging about at 22mph, before I knew it was illegal and I could get sued for my house post accident.

Hi guerney - Top speed has increased, although not by loads, however, when I free-wheel down a steep gradient, I can go way over 15.5mph!

Appreciate the input.

 

Ride Rad

Clarity please, is it a 250w 'mislabeled' motor flying under the regs with a hobbled f/w in the off the shelf display that you have over-ridden with a aftermarket display? or something else?

 

Hi thelarkbox - please see link below for 9hopefully) more clarity:

 

 

I purchased my Eggrider from Big Game Bikes, and the attached video i found really helpful.

 

Appreciate the input

 

Ride Rad

Grin simulator says 26 mph top speed with this upgrade. The eggrider just overrides the locked controller settings so it can deliver its full 19 amps. And knocking on 1000 watts.

 

https://ebikes.ca/tools/simulator.html?batt=B4819_A&frame=fat&hp=0&axis=mph&motor=MG60_500&wheel=26i

Edited March 18, 20242 yr by AGS

Hi saneagle - Because the Eggrider releases all the Torque of the 500W Bafang motor, it means that I can climb steep inclines without loosing any speed as I pedal, there is a really good video that explaining what the Eggrider v2 brings to the Radrunner, it's from Big Game Bikes, where I bought my Eggrider form, the guy who owns BGB (Gareth) goes through what the Eggrider is, and what it can do for a Radrunner, please see below link:

 

 

Thanks for the input.

 

Ride Rad

I think you're mistaken. It doesn't do anything to the motor. It's just an interface to the controller. It let's you see the same data that the controller is dealing with you, and it allows you to set the controller's parameters the same as you can do directly through the LCD. It just gives a more convenient interface. With nearly every controller/LCD, you can set power and max speeds without needing an Eggrider.

Hi thelarkbox - please see link below for 9hopefully) more clarity:

 

 

I purchased my Eggrider from Big Game Bikes, and the attached video i found really helpful.

 

Appreciate the input

 

Ride Rad

He's talking out of his backside at the beginning of the video, though his explanation of what the Eggrider and other controller do is correct. It's possible that he tried to simplify things for the sake of understanding, but that's misleading. He redeemed himself a bit at the end. I think most people would get the wrong understanding from what he said.

 

All he needed to say was that the more current you allow, the steeper the hill you can climb, a bit about speed vs efficiency an how bigger motors can handle more power.

Grin simulator says 26 mph top speed with this upgrade. The eggrider just overrides the locked controller settings so it can deliver its full 19 amps. And knocking on 1000 watts.

 

https://ebikes.ca/tools/simulator.html?batt=B4819_A&frame=fat&hp=0&axis=mph&motor=MG60_500&wheel=26i

1000w from the battery into the controller, not from the motor, which could be anything from 0w to 700w, depending on speed.

I got bored watching it because he kept trying to justify the eggrider is just to improve the hill climbing ability. When everyone knows it turns a 250w ebike into a 750 watt e-bike.

Grin simulator says 26 mph top speed with this upgrade. The eggrider just overrides the locked controller settings so it can deliver its full 19 amps. And knocking on 1000 watts.

 

allows you to set the controller's parameters the same as you can do directly through the LCD. It just gives a more convenient interface.

 

So Eggrider is an "Off road switch", which is "Strictly Forbidden" to use the DfT's expressions.

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I got bored watching it because he kept trying to justify the eggrider is just to improve the hill climbing ability. When everyone knows it turns a 250w ebike into a 750 watt e-bike.

An Eggrider can't do that. A 250w bike is always a 250w bike no matter what you do to it unless you change the motor. You can convert a legal bike into a non legal one by releasing the speed limit, or you can covert a 250w bike into a 750w one by changing the motor. In other words it's the motor that determines the power rating and legality of the bike, not some fancy interface that dies the same as what you can do without it.

Those Rads are fitted with a G060 or if lucky a G062. According to the Bafang workbook the G062 is rated at 250w and 500w and 750w and 1000w.