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That 49cc was the size of assist motor we used to fit on bicycles in the 1950s, the PowerPak and the Winged Wheel for example. They shook the bikes to bits in no time. .

I understand that surplus money reason, 7 cars in 25 years of retirement when one could have done the total mileage easily. Mike's bike at £695 is a great bargain, caused only by the small size of the e-bike market, its worth very much more. The battery alone is worth much of the price. .

Thanks Shemozzle, what a strange setup, since NI is included in the 1983 EAPC regulation, which I understand is UK law. It follows that the April and June 2015 amendments to that must be too. I would have expected the letter about throttle permission to have UK wide effect too and still don't...

But the fundamental flaw in their position is that both the construction and use requirements and their own design requirements for safety take into account the speeds which any bicycle can reach in road conditions. That is far beyond the dongled speed capability of around 30mph and the 28mph S...

I think the mistake here is that you've interpretated, rather than stating a fact. Just because a speed restriction is bypassed does not mean the vehicle is necessarily unsafe, and that is very true in this case. All of the bicycle construction and use standards, UK and EU, are identical for...

No, the UK law does not differ, neither in the original 1983 EAPC regulation or the 2015 Amendments to that regulation. However, in the DfT saying that a throttle equipped EAPC requires type approval because the EU requires that, they appear to be acknowledging the primacy of that EU...

No, no-one got into trouble with the French authorities, I only illustrated that some members have toured their pedelecs in France, and indeed further, to illustrate the problem of taking a GB approved throttle controlled bike there. It's likely to happen to an unsuspecting e-biker unaware that...

Especially the obese ones! :) .

This I question Jonathan. The two and three wheel type approval law is an EU ruling enforced upon all member countries, and has been since 2003. Member variation requests to the EU Commission were restricted to the period 9th May 2003 to 9th November 2003. I don't see this as limited...

I'm aware of that letter, but it only specifies British conditions that the DfT expect. Note the use of GB EAPC rather than UK EAPC, qualifying the ruling to Great Britain alone, even excluding Northern Ireland. It's neither the UK nor the EU law, both of which require power to cease when...

Good discovery Jonnie, those boxes are indeed well sealed and the heavy encapsulation doesn't help where cooling is concerned. Hopefully this will be repeatable for others. .

This is a DfT ruling for the UK, but the EU doesn't appear to say anything of the sort and the EU law has precedence. So the true position with regard to other laws like this consumer legislation is unclear. The type approval process is for motor vehicles so any vehicle submitted and accepted...

And of course I am not giving legal advice, just stating history. I'm merely stating a position with regard to suppliers of illegal public use vehicles that has been well proven over many decades. .

Two things wrong with this interpretation. First specifying ebike when there is no such thing in UK law. The vehicle you speak of as being classed as a bicycle is in law an EAPC (Electric Assisted Pedal Cycle). If a dealer sells an e-bike, ebike, electric bicycle etc with no mention of it...

The answer to this was already contained in the prior post I made when as well as cars I mentioned mini-motos and powered pavement scooters. They are also illegal the moment they are used but have been freely sold here for decades. They have been a continual source of trouble and expense to...

That advice is clearly wrong. Why has no manufacturer, importer or dealer ever been liable over the thousands of deaths involving cars supplied with maximum speeds far in excess of any possible legal public use, often in accidents when being used at the illegal speeds? Because they are not...

Conscience, that's why. All importers and dealers know that the e-bikes they sell will be used in public places. Some like 50cycles and ebikeshop only concern themselves with their entirely legal business and not with what their customers do after sales, which is really none of their business...

It's perfectly legal for a dealer to sell a bicycle with any power or speed capability, or any other vehicle illegal for use on the roads. In law it's the usage that is legislated for. That is why all manner of illegal vehicles have been sold for years and continue to be sold with impunity...

Nice bike, but the Sunstar is a low power motor even on a normal bike. Fine in moderate territory, but on a load carrier I'd prefer a Bafang crank drive if any hills were involved. .

I only answered on the basis of the law. The moral position is a personal judgment issue, which I'm not involved with in this case. Also I have no idea whether the dealer involved warns or doesn't warn his customers, so any opinion of mine is irrelevant at present. .