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But you cannot be proven to know of any of this illegal usage Col, that is the point. Without that proof of your cognition and since the sale is entirely legal, no successful action is possible. Such precedents as mini-motos, knives and shotguns with no liability issues have been mentioned and...

Your amendment is still incomplete though Col. It should read: "Obviously the UK law states that eBikes should only be assisted to 15mph. Therefore the speed tuning kit is strictly for use on anyone's private land only." The point being that e-bike law does not apply on any private land, the...

But this simply isn't true Col, you cannot be certain they are to be used illegally. We have a number of members who pop their e-bikes into their motor caravans or on the back of their cars and leave the country. Just two examples of well known personalities in here, there are many others...

The position seems to be recoverable in another way though, the seller offers the alternative of £70 for a whole weekend hire in an ideal riding area. Intriguingly they also have 100% buying and selling feedback with glowing testimonials. .

Absolutely, a retailer cannot make assumptions as to usage and proving any liability at court would at the very minimum entail proof that the retailer knew that the item would be used illegally. .

This statement is technically not erroneous though: "Obviously the UK law states that eBikes should only be assisted to 15mph. Therefore the speed tuning kit is strictly for off road use only." Nowhere does it say off-road usage is legal, that is only an implication in the mind of the reader...

I'm sure that model has never been sold in the UK and doubt it was sold in mainland Europe either, so I've no knowledge of the details you require. Judging from the markings on the battery case, it's probably a personal import from Taiwan, Giant's home country. They produced a crank drive SLA...

50cycles likewise publish this restriction against the high speed models: "TYPE APPROVAL CLASSIFICATION L1e light moped. To use this bicycle on a public road the user must first register it, fit a registration plate and then tax and insure it. Registration plate holder can be removed in those...

Exactly crE, a case where the sale of items that can very rarely be legally carried in public is not illegal in itself. Knives have been used to commit countless murders, but no supplier has ever been pursued at law for the consequences of such use, even where the type of knife had no...

This doesn't apply though, does it. The e-bikes we are speaking of are also supplied as S versions doing those UK illegal assist speeds up to 45 kph, so clearly they are designed to do it without undue warranty claims. The issue with these is solely one of the illegal use on the roads and not...

Tom, while I sympathise with your views on legality and ride only legal e-bikes myself, one doesn't have to be a lawyer to see a fundamental flaw in the thinking of so many opposed to illegal e-bikes. There often seems to be an assumption that if the law has nothing to say about something, it...

I think it's blindingly obvious that both companies will know of the existence and use of such devices. That neither have made any public statement about them I think indicates that they prefer to keep quiet rather than affect sales to the large numbers who wish to tune in such ways. :rolleyes: .

I bet someone would still buy one! .

I would never want to stop anyone seeking legal advice, but if sought, be aware that on any ill-defined issue the advice will always be "Don't", the play-safe response. The fact that might be commercially poor advice won't deter any solicitor. As for (2), the trade issue, as said, I don't...

Mini-moto bikes have been involved in accidents and I remember one case of a fatality when one went under another vehicle a few years back when they were at the height of their popularity. Their usage has been raised in Parliament and the police have acted by seizing and crushing the offending...

A response I was expecting so was not disappointed. :) In answer to yourself and KTM, no, the issue is just one of whether something can be used illegally when it can be legally sold. Whether it can be used legally in any other circumstance is immaterial and a different matter. That is a...

In case you run over the first one? ;) :) Seriously, for a cyclist, trying an upright trike for the first time can be a truly weird experience. It goes against every cycling instinct and many find themselves unable to adapt and feel comfortable with the radically different steering behaviour...

I don't support the use of higher than legal speeds on e-bikes and am happy with the current assist speed restriction. However, there are many precedents for the sale of vehicles which are illegal on our roads, simply because such a sale is entirely legal in itself. The same goes for...

Here's the link to the web site Martin: http://www.cyclezee.com/ They will hopefully be back in later to let you know the derestricted speeds of the various models. .

Maybe it was the eZee 20 amp controller that won them over after the 15 or 17 amp Oxygen controllers. May the force be with you! ;) .