Brexit, for once some facts.

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Long overdue, get Parliament back to work
They need to justify a five-minute tea-break under current circumstances. Let alone a recess.

If online is achievable for a cabinet meeting, it could be used for parliamentary work, especially committees.

There might be difficulties with whole HoC - but as much is already broadcast, it wouldn't seem to be insurmountable.
 
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Robert Peston
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@michaelgove
said just now that the difficulty in increasing number of #COVID19 tests was due to a shortage of the relevant "chemcial reagents". Well I've just talked to the Chemical Industries Association, which represents the UK's very substantial chemicals industry. It...
has contacted its members, and they've said there is no shortage of the relevant reagents. So the Association has now been in touch with
@michaelgove
's office to find out what he means, because it is stumped. The Association also points out there was an industry chat with...
a business minister today, who made no attempt to find out if there was a supply problem for the vital ingredients of Covid19 testing kits. So this question of why there aren't enough tests for the virus is an even bigger mystery. Also, if it turns out there is a shortage...
these manufacturers are more than happy to increase their production. But they need to be asked, which has not happened. PS It was Labour MP
@Bill_Esterson
who initially spotted this gap between what Gove said and what the industry believes to be true.

Gove was lying again
The ineptitude of not even realising someone might ask "What reagent?", not having an answer, and making it look ever more like infinite numbers of monkeys making up excuses on typewriters.

That so much then quotes "reagent" as if it is a specific something. Rather than a blanket term for chemical compounds used in certain ways. As if you go to Amazon, or eBay, or AliExpress and search for "reagent". Or can ask the UK chemical industry for however many litres of "reagent".

A reagent /riˈeɪdʒənt/ is a substance or compound added to a system to cause a chemical reaction, or added to test if a reaction occurs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagent
 

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Classic dissembling from Jenny


Ireland with a population of 4.83 Million are carrying out 5000 tests per day. The UK with a population of 66.44 Million are carrying out 7500 tests per day.
 
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The ineptitude of not even realising someone might ask "What reagent?", not having an answer, and making it look ever more like infinite numbers of monkeys making up excuses on typewriters.

That so much then quotes "reagent" as if it is a specific something. Rather than a blanket term for chemical compounds used in certain ways. As if you go to Amazon, or eBay, or AliExpress and search for "reagent". Or can ask the UK chemical industry for however many litres of "reagent".

A reagent /riˈeɪdʒənt/ is a substance or compound added to a system to cause a chemical reaction, or added to test if a reaction occurs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagent
For many chemical activities, water is classified as a reagent!. However I do suspect they are referring to specific proteins used as coagulants
 
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Classic dissembling from Jenny


Ireland with a population of 4.83 Million are carrying out 5000 tests per day. The UK with a population of 66.44 Million are carrying out 7500 tests per day.
The excuse regarding reagents made by Gove yesterday has been exposed as a lie by Robert Peston. He has discovered from a very credible source that these substances are not in short supply.
 
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NHS Management have proven themselves to be so poor, so inept and so unsuitable for the jobs they are employed to do, that that have resorted to bullying and threatening their staff. Threatening staff with the sack if they dare to speak the truth. Good grief!
 
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NHS Management have proven themselves to be so poor, so inept and so unsuitable for the jobs they are employed to do, that that have resorted to bullying and threatening their staff. Threatening staff with the sack if they dare to speak the truth. Good grief!
Wantonly threatening active medical staff with the sack should be one of the few reasons to sack medical staff (including managers) at present.
 

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For many chemical activities, water is classified as a reagent!. However I do suspect they are referring to specific proteins used as coagulants
But why so unprepared as to not have more information available? Appears unable to predict even the most obvious questions.

I have seen mention already of the availability of vast quantities of ethanol and substantial amounts of isopropanol - so unlikely to be them. (Though they might only be available in industrial specifications rather than Ph Eur.) Why, even I have plenty of isopropanol and glycerol. :)

But, if specialist substances, why not let us all know and we could look at the backs of our cupboards? Well, university and industrial/pharmaceutical outfits could do so. Much faster to get journos to print the info. and wait for responses than ringing the possibly hundreds or thousands of places that just might be able to help.
 
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The excuse regarding reagents made by Gove yesterday has been exposed as a lie by Robert Peston. He has discovered from a very credible source that these substances are not in short supply.
excellent explainer:


Germany has 174 labs that test for CV, we have 12.
Our CMO and CSO have become Cummings drones.
 
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excellent explainer:


Germany has 174 labs that test for CV, we have 12.
Our CMO and CSO have become Cummings drones.
Gove was blatantly telling lies at yesterday’s briefing.

Robert Peston has spoken to the British chemical industry body. They have contacted all British chemical suppliers and manufacturers. There is no shortage of any chemical/ reagent required for Coronavirus testing kits. There is plenty and they can easily increase production if asked. They have contacted Gove’s office to find out why the hell he is saying these things.

The chemical industry are also saying they had a meeting with the Industry Minister last week and the government didn’t even raise the subject of Coronavirus testing! Wankers.
 
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Gove was blatantly telling lies at yesterday’s briefing.

Robert Peston has spoken to the British chemical industry body. They have contacted all British chemical suppliers and manufacturers. There is no shortage of any chemical/ reagent required for Coronavirus testing kits. There is plenty and they can easily increase production if asked. They have contacted Gove’s office to find out why the hell he is saying these things.

The chemical industry are also saying they had a meeting with the Industry Minister last week and the government didn’t even raise the subject of Coronavirus testing! Wankers.
Given the personal stakes that everyone has, including those in the chemical industry, I strongly suspect they are being honest and truthful - and would do almost anything to produce more of whatever reagent(s) are required.
 

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Putin has shown himself rather more adept than many other dictators politicians:

Coronavirus: Russia sends plane full of medical supplies to US

Critics likely to claim Moscow will exploit goodwill gesture as public relations coup
 

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excellent explainer:


Germany has 174 labs that test for CV, we have 12.
Our CMO and CSO have become Cummings drones.
It ends:

The UK’s approach to testing may be proven right — we just don’t know. But it has taken a different path to most.

I am not at all convinced that our approach is sensible.
 

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The UK’s approach to testing may be proven right — we just don’t know. But it has taken a different path to most.

I am not at all convinced that our approach is sensible.
Or Sweden’s. They seem to be just letting nature take its course. No measures whatsoever. I guess the body bags will tell us who’s right.
 
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The UK’s approach to testing may be proven right — we just don’t know. But it has taken a different path to most.
on pure economic ground, possibly.

One could argue that our strategy will accelerate the acquisition of 'herd immunity' among the young people but it will kill a lot more people compared to the result in Germany.
In Germany, they hospitalise only 6% of their cases, in the UK, 50% are hospitalised.
We have many more beds occupied by CV patients than they do, so I can't see how our strategy is better.
On humanity ground, it can't be right.
It's better that we try to keep the oldies alive and fail instead of let them die without trying our best just to save some money.
In any case, the potential savings are small beer compared to what we lose everyday the lockdown is longer than strictly necessary. Without extensive testing among the young people, we have a lot more silent spreaders.
 
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Gove was blatantly telling lies at yesterday’s briefing.

Robert Peston has spoken to the British chemical industry body. They have contacted all British chemical suppliers and manufacturers. There is no shortage of any chemical/ reagent required for Coronavirus testing kits. There is plenty and they can easily increase production if asked. They have contacted Gove’s office to find out why the hell he is saying these things.

The chemical industry are also saying they had a meeting with the Industry Minister last week and the government didn’t even raise the subject of Coronavirus testing! Wankers.
  • The prime minister’s spokesman also said:

  • There is a global shortage of the specialist chemicals for testing, contrary to claims by the British Chemicals Association
Again, identify what compounds are suffering shortages! Then we just possibly might believe the PM and his spokesman. Until then, I'd rather back the BCA.
 

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Classic dissembling from Jenny


Ireland with a population of 4.83 Million are carrying out 5000 tests per day. The UK with a population of 66.44 Million are carrying out 7500 tests per day.
According to reports, Ireland has tested 30,000 by yesterday ,and is increasing the number of drive in centres .. including one at my local college ,the plan is to ramp to 10k per day using 45 centres. So in fairness I don't think we are at 5k per day yet.
However with 3k confirmed cases, 90% of the tests confirm no current infection.
Unfortunately not all nursing staff are getting tested as much or often as required.
 
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In the Daily Mirro
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Just 30 of the new coronavirus ventilators trumped by ministers will be ready for the NHS next week, the government admitted today.

Michael Gove last night announced "the first of thousands of new ventilator devices will roll off the production line" this weekend, and "be delivered to the NHS next week."
It ends:

The UK’s approach to testing may be proven right — we just don’t know. But it has taken a different path to most.

I am not at all convinced that our approach is sensible.
The safest course is to assume any decision being made is the wrong one, so far this view has a 100% track record
 
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