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You can buy Brazillian and Argentinian beef already in the EU and their cows are not fed on hormone or their chickens washed with chlorine. The quantities are at the moment rather small (8000t of Argentinian beef per annum for example).
EU laws will stop some substandard food products through health and safety standards but in essence, if it wants to sell cars to mercosur (essentially Brazil and Argentina), it has to accept fair competition and let in a lot more beef and chickens. The issue is the deal will wipe out a large number of smaller producers because of much lower production cost in mercosur countries.
Exactly, it's to "wipe out a large number of smaller producers" in the EU. And sell Volkswagens there, coz 3 vw Factories in DE have shut due to No demand for EV's. I vonder von der vhy? :)
 

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As soon as Russians troops are gatheredm in large numbers, Zelensky desperately tried to offer concessions such as never join NATO, leave Crimea alone and implement 2014 agreements in full.
That is completely untrue, you are doing what the Americans do, invent news. Zelensky did not offer to never join NATO before the war started, or make other concessions. Instead he maintained his defiance to the last in his speeches.

Shortly after the war started, the Russian attack nearing Kiev and Ukraine's infrastructure already being destroyed by missiles, he said in a speech broadcast here "We may have to agree to never joining NATO".

That was his first concession on NATO, as I've previously posted, including at the time.
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chlorinated chicken
Chlorinated chicken - Chicken washed in chlorinated water to kill bacteria.
But shock horror says the public at the behest of clickbait news headlines. But of course thats all the attention the public have ever paid to it, and in truth haven't a clue what chlorinated chicken actually is.

All bagged salad in the UK is washed in chlorinated water.

Ever read any shock/horror headlines about chlorinated salad ? Nope, neither have I.
 

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Chlorinated chicken - Chicken washed in chlorinated water to kill bacteria.
But shock horror says the public at the behest of clickbait news headlines. But of course thats all the attention the public have ever paid to it, and in truth haven't a clue what chlorinated chicken actually is.

All bagged salad in the UK is washed in chlorinated water.

Ever read any shock/horror headlines about chlorinated salad ? Nope, neither have I.

Instead of starting with a logical fallacy, argumentum ad populum, or "well, it's done with everything", let's see what gives?
Salad is washed in fruit juice or chlorinated water. But then it's rinsed with clean water!
So, false equivalence fallacy too. :) Nice try!
 

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fkn 150 quid bill :rolleyes: i need a nuclear reactor in me shed ;)
 
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Instead of starting with a logical fallacy, argumentum ad populum, or "well, it's done with everything", let's see what gives?
Salad is washed in fruit juice or chlorinated water. But then it's rinsed with clean water!
So, false equivalence fallacy too. :) Nice try!
both use same techniques, kill germs then rinse with clean water. No difference really.
There was a BBC video showing how Dutch tumbled chicken breasts are processed. Did you see it?
 
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both use same techniques, kill germs then rinse with clean water. No difference really.
There was a BBC video showing how Dutch tumbled chicken breasts are processed. Did you see it?
Was it this one:

The chicken you are eating could have been injected with beef or pork protein.
That is the claim that will be made by BBC One's Panorama programme on Thursday after a six month investigation into the chicken processing industry in Holland.

Tests carried out for the programme reveal that beef or pork DNA has been found in chicken, including products which are being sold as Halal meat.

It will also reveal that meat processors have been deliberately pumping chicken full of water - and even beef protein - in an effort to make them look bigger, with some Dutch sourced chicken fillets containing as much as 50% added water.

 

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I did watch the Angela Merkel interview last night, liked the way she stressed the importance of compromise. If only Zelensky and Putin had listened more carefully to her.
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"*Early* Winter ICE Halts Arctic Shipping Traffic *Weeks* Ahead of Schedule". Guess the Arctic didn't get the memo? Is Greta sailing up there to 'how dare you' it? Will Kerry fly up and legislate it away? :)
 

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both use same techniques, kill germs then rinse with clean water. No difference really.
There was a BBC video showing how Dutch tumbled chicken breasts are processed. Did you see it?
'Red Herring' logical fallacy.
Here's an example for you:
Have you noticed how everyone drinks Filtered, Non-Chlorinated, mineral water rather than what comes out of the tap?
See, it's easy, try thinking critically!
"Don't drink the tap water"
 

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'Red Herring' logical fallacy.
Here's an example for you:
Have you noticed how everyone drinks Filtered, Non-Chlorinated, mineral water rather than what comes out of the tap?
See, it's easy, try thinking critically!

"Don't drink the tap water"
In those two examples, I would rather discuss the facts than being argumentative. If you think the glass of water from the tap has come through 10 people then you need to discuss the reasoning. Depending where you live but statistically over time, the water that goes in your glass is mostly from the oceans, not the wee from another person.


 

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Was it this one:

The chicken you are eating could have been injected with beef or pork protein.
That is the claim that will be made by BBC One's Panorama programme on Thursday after a six month investigation into the chicken processing industry in Holland.

Tests carried out for the programme reveal that beef or pork DNA has been found in chicken, including products which are being sold as Halal meat.

It will also reveal that meat processors have been deliberately pumping chicken full of water - and even beef protein - in an effort to make them look bigger, with some Dutch sourced chicken fillets containing as much as 50% added water.

I think you're teasing with this 'red herring', hehe.. however
Yes, and I'm mindful about certain demographics who will be ants in the pants about the pork, eek. :eek:

Contamination is a no-no, and points to lack of regulatory testing & possibly corruption?

Adulteration is also a no-no, and has been going on since regulators allowed up to 25% water to be injected as part of "Processing"? Remember the bacon that 'melts' in the pan, not on your tongue?

And Processing is the key word. Get it fresh from the farm, well we would if we could! Wouldn't we?
 
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In those two examples, I would rather discuss the facts than being argumentative. If you think the glass of water from the tap has come through 10 people then you need to discuss the reasoning. Depending where you live but statistically over time, the water that goes in your glass is mostly from the oceans, not the wee from another person.


'Red Herring' fallacy again.
To paraphrase Monty Python "discussion is a series of reasoned propositions with facts, whereas an argument is merely gainsaying whatever the other proposes".

We're not talking about the water "on earth", but the water in the tap.
Chlorinated, Fluoridated (See what I did there?) And.. we Hope it's suffiently filtered, fingers crossed!

So are we getting Groundwater, and if so why is it treated?. Or is it Riverwater, and what is it ye were all saying about English water companies pollution of rivers? Eek! :eek:
(Now ye've got me linking the Babylon Boredcasting Corpseration) :D
 

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In those two examples, I would rather discuss the facts than being argumentative. If you think the glass of water from the tap has come through 10 people then you need to discuss the reasoning. Depending where you live but statistically over time, the water that goes in your glass is mostly from the oceans, not the wee from another person.
Really! I've seen our water processing plant. It's about 120 miles from the sea. How does the seawater come to it? Don't tell me: It evaporates from the sea, travels in clouds to the Welsh mountains, falls as rain, goes down the drains and is collected in reservoirs ready for processing. No wonder it tastes of sheepshit with a bit of drain cleaner thrown in.
 
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Have you noticed how everyone drinks Filtered, Non-Chlorinated, mineral water rather than what comes out of the tap?
I don't, sod paying for and carrying heavy bottles of water from a supermarket.

My drinking water first falls on the North Downs as rain. It then drains gradually down across and through solid chalk for at least five miles, ending up only 100feet above sea level. There it's at the Addington Deep Well only a few hundred yards from my home where two pumps lift it and fill a large tank on stilts looking like a raised single story office block. After having chlorine and aluminium sulphate added it's pumped to my home and a few thousand others by Australian owned Thames Water, though it's never been near the Thames.

And it tastes bloody awful as it arrives.

But I boil it to make coffee, or to drink it without, I add a squirt of agave nectar to make it palatable, without worrying about the implication that I'm giving ten other people a metaphorical blow job.

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The links below show the huge steam powered beam engines that pumped my water for my first 11 years here before new electric pumps were installed, and the furnaces that powered it all:


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I don't, sod paying for and carrying heavy bottles of water from a supermarket.

My drinking water first falls on the North Downs as rain. It then drains gradually down across and through solid chalk for at least five miles, ending up only 100feet above sea level. There it's at the Addington Deep Well only a few hundred yards from my home where two pumps lift it and fill a large tank on stilts looking like a raised single story office block. After having chlorine and aluminium sulphate added it's pumped to my home and a few thousand others by Australian owned Thames Water, though it's never been near the Thames.

And it tastes bloody awful as it arrives.

But I boil it to make coffee, or to drink it without, I add a squirt of agave nectar to make it palatable, without worrying about the implication that I'm giving ten other people a metaphorical blow job.

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The links below show the huge steam powered beam engines at pumped my water for my first 11 years here before new electric pumps were installed, and the furnaces that powered it all:


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Good one, quite poetic, and very evocative. I hope Fred Dibnah can metaphorically enjoy the Joke up there :D

They have ongoing "boil all water notices" here in Ireland. And we boil ours for d 'tea, to be sure :) .
Wow, chlorine and aluminium sulphate for the last few hundred yards to your home. Pipes must be made of tut, no wonder it tastes bad!

(For irish readers, tut means sh..e, with an e, haha)
 
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I live in Scotland. As such the water is the best in the country.
When i was young, and not knowing the score about Scottish v English water, I poured a glass in a hostel in London

AGGHHHHHHH W. T. F. is this ???. Spat it out.

No surprise our English cousins drink bottled.
But what is surprising is how much you are forced to pay for the stuff coming through the tap. I wouldnt give that to a dog.

Nothing finer than when you are up north, and you dip your waterbottle in one of the streams coming off a mountain.