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Woosh

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So we have a choice now. Eastern style democracy with voting for representatives in its single party, or Western style democracy with multiple parties to vote for.

Both systems equally good at failing to satisfy their people.

Democracy is often said to be a terrible system but the best we have. I don't agree, benevolent dictatorships are often far better.
Chinese style democracy marginalises those who want to be politically active. People just have to trust that their government will do the right thing by them.
I prefer our style of Western democracy, even with Trump winning recently and similar wins for the right in Italy, Netherlands, Austria, Hungary, Finland, Slovakia and partial wins in Germany and France.
They offer alternatives. If that doesn't work, then they can be kicked out later.
BTW, have you seen the farce with DT and Mexican President, Claudia Scheinbaum? She sent him a personal letter, now she is his favourite.
 

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Chinese style democracy marginalises those who want to be politically active.
Not really, they can be voted for as government members, Xi got right to the top of political activity using that method.

I prefer our style of Western democracy,
They offer alternatives. If that doesn't work, then they can be kicked out later.
And be replaced by more failure, all too often different for the sake of being different rather than better, or the same because they know no better. Our two party democracy has been a perfect recipe for constant decline since early in the 20th century.

BTW, have you seen the farce with DT and Mexican President, Claudia Scheinbaum? She sent him a personal letter, now she is his favourite.
I hadn't, but thanks, I have done now. Those responses from Mexico and Canada will have had him wriggling with embarrassment.
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I was at first surprised to read in your quoted piece that the UK economic inactivity rate had remained similar since the seventies, and then of course I remembered that back then a lot of women stayed at home to look after children and the home. That was then pretty much the norm, especially in the period before that - say the fifties and sixties.

Of course the graph in the piece you quoted shows this when you see the change in the profile of women not in work over that time.

Interestingly, inactivity rates seem to be rising for men since Covid while for women the numbers remain similar to what they were, albeit that more women are economically inactive than men = 25% versus about 17% for men.

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I am hypothesising that these inactivity rates may be greater than those of competitor economies. I don't know this, but it is perhaps worth investigation.

Another possibility is that we have a large black economy - probably larger than nations which are harder on undocumented working such as those in nearby European nations. One of the drivers of cross Channel illegal migration from safe, civilised and richer France, is said to be the ease with which unregistered illegal migrants can slot into the black economy. I have heard French politicians say so - whether it is true, I don't know, but it is a reasonable hypothesis and might be looked at. Wandering a round any UK inner city such as Newcastle with which I am familiar, it is obvious in migrant heavy districts that large amounts of cash trading is going on. Neither is it restricted to migrant people. You can easily negotiate a discount for cash payment with all kinds of workmen.

Low pay offered to workers in forms of employment taken up by migrants may also be a factor in lower GDP. Clearly, if we import hundreds of thousands of migrants happy to work for lower wages than the rest of us, there will be an impact on GDP per capita. That measure is intimately entwined with wage levels. The so called gig economy may be involved.

Thinking as I write this - on the fly - the balance of types of employment has changed significantly over half a century. Large numbers are now employed in low wage service jobs rather than the old more highly paid manufacturing roles that used to characterise our economy. Come to think of it - this must have a massive impact on GDP per capita - probably much more than the other things I have mentioned.

Whatever the cause of apparent lower UK productivity, GDP per capita, and economic activity, it is a serious issue as far as government expenditure is concerned because low paid people are not net tax contributors. This needs to be seriously looked into by the new government.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0023ds6 12 minutes 50 seconds

you might also be interested in https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002304z 13mins 12 seconds for Baumol's cost disease which i found really interesting.
 
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Woosh

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The difference with France is in the low pay employments such as cleaning, gardening, child minding, dog walking etc. I pay 50 euros for someone sitting on a lawnmower for 20-30 minutes, 25 euros for a 15 minute hair cut. In Southend, cash in hand £10 an hour, haircut £11. After covid, a lot of people previously with a low paid job have chosen not to return to work because there is little difference between in leftover money. The consequence of that choice is we imported at least 1 million workers since the end of covid. Rory Stewart on bbcqt made the point last night that only 30% of visas issued are for work. In effect, we imported 3 million people. The rest of the 3 million visas are for relatives, students, refugees (12%, because of wars in Afghanistan and Ukraine). Stewart also says that we need to fund universities ourselves rather than relying on foreign students. I found last night bbcqt discussions particularly interesting.
The cost for the country for someone not wanting to return to work may be much greater than the person realises. The solution is surely to make work pay.
 

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Not really, they can be voted for as government members, Xi got right to the top of political activity using that method.



And be replaced by more failure, all too often different for the sake of being different rather than better, or the same because they know no better. Our two party democracy has been a perfect recipe for constant decline since early in the 20th century.



I hadn't, but thanks, I have done now. Those responses from Mexico and Canada will have had him wriggling with embarrassment.
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President of Mexico elected as she was the only candidate 'Left' (hehe ;) ) standing who had not been murdered or kidnapped! Must have some *Serious Protection*?
As for being kicked out later, why wait? Start at home! :)


 

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EU: " At the time, a report from KPMG on Ireland's carbon emissions targets predicted that 56,400 agricultural jobs would be lost and the beef farming industry would need to be cut by 22 per cent to reach 2030 goals"
Re-wet bogs, which makes wetlands, which generate more METHANE, for flips sake, real Einsteins!
 

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it's only me discussing the HB's laptop story with you on here. I said that the laptop can easily be doctored because HB denied two of the emails that the maga GOP said they were true and HB said that they were planted. Tell me, do you know how much time has passed between the shop keeper got the laptop and FBI got the laptop?
It's OK, he's got a presidential pardon from his Daddy. One never knows when one might need one ;-). Will Mr. "10% for the big guy" pardon himself now? Haha
 

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you always need more power you just need to blow ppl away and make them pay for it over 3000 years ;)