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I wonder if MikelBikel know how much CO2 would a power station with the same 8.2GW would produce.
 

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And yet more money for more "grid" instead of actual energy. :)
So you would not build up the grid before the windfarms in the North are completed?

1,870 kilometres of new transmission lines in 2024 and another roughly 1,600 kilometres are projected for 2025. The different lines, including SüdLink and SüdOstLink, are supposed to bring renewable electricity from Germany’s windy north to industry centres in the south.
 

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All this puts me in mind of the research done by the tobacco companies who could prove that smoking isnt bad for your health.

One thing I like to do is find their 'motivation', which in 99% of the cases of denial is down to a book they have on the subject, or a 'media' channel, all of which brings them in a rather tidy income.
 
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Is there a "peer reviewed paper" on how Toxic broken solar flaps are, just asking? :cool:
Do you know how muck selenium, arsenic, lead, cadmium there is in a modern solar panel? Tiny amount if any.
The active film itself is only 0.2mm thick, the rest is to protect it against the elements.
Solar panels last for 25 years, comparable to your car.
Look into the future. Do you want your grandchildren to continue using electricity from burning fossil fuels?
 
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electric cars wont last 25 years solar panels are non recyclable same as carbon fibre wind blades.

inverters have a 5 year warranty and will need replacing as the capacitors will be dead.

also round here no one cleans there solar panels so loose 1% every year.

the feed in tariff ended in 2019 you are now only paid for what you export.

last 30 days i exported 2.3kw it will never pay for its self under the export tariff

ill keep burning rubbish like the power station up the road :p
 
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A Tour de France race bike typically lasts for only one or two seasons due to the intense demands of professional cycling. The bikes are subjected to rigorous use, including significant wear and tear from various terrains, impacts, and the rigors of racing, leading to a relatively short lifespan compared to recreational bikes.

so a 20k throw away item its renewable tho :p
 

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Do you know how muck selenium, arsenic, lead, cadmium there is in a modern solar panel? Tiny amount if any.
The active film itself is only 0.2mm thick, the rest is to protect it against the elements.
Solar panels last for 25 years, comparable to your car.
Look into the future. Do you want your grandchildren to continue using electricity from burning fossil fuels?
Do you know how much selenium, arsenic, lead or cadmium can cause you serious health issues. Also, the problem with heavy metals is that once they get in the human body, they're difficult to get out, so they accumulate, and it's the accumulated amount that does you in.
 
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Do you know how much selenium, arsenic, lead or cadmium can cause you serious health issues. Also, the problem with heavy metals is that once they get in the human body, they're difficult to get out, so they accumulate, and it's the accumulated amount that does you in.
Same issue when the time comes to disposal of your car.
Compare with the amount of poisonous substances that your car is responsible for in its life, solar panels give fewer problems.
 

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A Tour de France race bike typically lasts for only one or two seasons due to the intense demands of professional cycling. The bikes are subjected to rigorous use, including significant wear and tear from various terrains, impacts, and the rigors of racing, leading to a relatively short lifespan compared to recreational bikes.

so a 20k throw away item its renewable tho :p
Well they are pretty intensely used. But after the tour is finished, the bikes are sold to members of the public, so they do go on and have a life afterwards.
 

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carbon flexes and brakes there made so light most are wall hangers same as f1 car parts and planes they have a service life.

most are factory bikes so they rather chop them up and throw them away
 

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it was Putin :oops:
 
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Same issue when the time comes to disposal of your car.
Compare with the amount of poisonous substances that your car is responsible for in its life, solar panels give fewer problems.
Your car gets disposed of at the scrap yard and solar panels go to the recycling centre. Both are relatively safe, but when a storm smashes acres of solar panels into smithereens, all the chemicals leech into the soil, then into rivers and so on. The field becomes full of broken glass, which is not going to be too good for growing potatos and other root crops.

How will they get all the broken glass out of the fields?

When those chemicals get into the soil, what will they do to any grazing animals and their prospects for human consumption?

If they grow edible crops in the contaminated land, will they become full of toxins?
 

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they put solar farms on green belt as after 10 years it will becomes a housing estate
 

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Your car gets disposed of at the scrap yard and solar panels go to the recycling centre. Both are relatively safe, but when a storm smashes acres of solar panels into smithereens, all the chemicals leech into the soil, then into rivers and so on. The field becomes full of broken glass, which is not going to be too good for growing potatos and other root crops.

How will they get all the broken glass out of the fields?

When those chemicals get into the soil, what will they do to any grazing animals and their prospects for human consumption?

If they grow edible crops in the contaminated land, will they become full of toxins?
How much storm water would get inside the panels? Most of the materials used are impervious to water anyway (glass, aluminium, plastic, rubber, electric cables etc). Nothing soluble comes to mind.
I think you exaggerate the amount of harmful substances in modern solar panels. Lots of them have ROHS declarations. There are comparatively tons more in building materials that people live next to.
 
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all the chemicals leech into the soil, then into rivers
You are going to freak when you hear what goes into our rivers normally. From raw sewage, to industrial run off, to a build up of the chemicals farmers use
 
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electric cars wont last 25 years
Of course they will, and much, much longer.

EV's are potentially much longer lived than any IC vehicles, so long as their batteries get replaced from time to time. Usually around 5 to 8 years with current batteries, but that is getting better all the time.

In the late 1960s both Harrods and John Lewis were still using their early 1920s battery electric vans delivering to customers in London. Easily 40 years life, and only getting changed since their 20mph was too slow for traffic then, causing hold ups.

They should have thought again, with whole borough 20 limit zones now returning here.
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