Prices of the electricity we use to charge

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Most charging points at petrol stations are installed and operated by the EV network companies. The forecourt owners are paid rents. They find a few isolated cases to justify profiteering.
 

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In most situations, the risks are entirely with the EV companies operating the charging points. The forecourt owners risk nothing. That's why they appear to be a bunch of profiteering hypocrites. The point is we gradually buy less petrol and diesel, thy up their margin to compensate.
If you read carefully the article, they are saying we invested millions to get the power connection and not charging enough rent.
 

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Sheesh, can't get a break! :D
You'll soon run out of arguments against EVs. Xiaomi just released their YU7. 300,000 sold in the first day. Customers have to wait 51 weeks for delivery. We won't get any in Europe until they finish building their new factory. For about the same money as Tesla model Y, the car comes with free self driving software.
 

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You'll soon run out of arguments against EVs. Xiaomi just released their YU7. 300,000 sold in the first day. Customers have to wait 51 weeks for delivery. We won't get any in Europe until they finish building their new factory. For about the same money as Tesla model Y, the car comes with free self driving software.
They said that about the VW Buzz three years ago. Three years later, they're selling 2022 registered ones with zero miles at huge discounts. Look on Auto trader. There are loads of them.
 

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They said that about the VW Buzz three years ago. Three years later, they're selling 2022 registered ones with zero miles at huge discounts. Look on Auto trader. There are loads of them.
Not 300,000 sold in a day though.
 

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You'll soon run out of arguments against EVs. Xiaomi just released their YU7. 300,000 sold in the first day. Customers have to wait 51 weeks for delivery. We won't get any in Europe until they finish building their new factory. For about the same money as Tesla model Y, the car comes with free self driving software.
Well I'm not buying one because I had a very bad experience with a Xiaomi the money security cam, and because it's drag coefficient is higher than a Tesla Model S. Why so high? Why so big and heavy? What's green about that? Flaminio Bertoni wouldn't have given it such a fat nose. Hate the look of modern cars, they all look like giant training shoes on wheels.
 
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You've no idea how many were actually sold. That's just a press release from the fake media that you read.
There is no reason why you shouldn't trust the Chinese media or the US media. The tesla model Y sold well over 2 million units so it does not surprise me that the xiaomi YU7 will outsell the model Y when Xiaomi can produce enough of them.
 

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There is no reason why you shouldn't trust the Chinese media or the US media. The tesla model Y sold well over 2 million units so it does not surprise me that the xiaomi YU7 will outsell the model Y when Xiaomi can produce enough of them.
Do you remember in January 2020 the videos of Chinese people dropping dead in the street - supposedly from covid? Do you remember the stories about Pangolin monkeys shagging chickens to make the virus? That was the Chinese media.

Do you remember the stories about the Hunter Biden laptop being Russian propaganda? Do you remember the stories about Trump and the golden rain? That was the USA media.
 
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You know that stuff was untrue, so why do you still read it? I watch and read the news from the BBC.
 
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So "green", so "sustainable", so "sunk cost"!
They are going to clean up this pollution out of the ocean, yes?
Cobalt Tuna in lithium salts anyone? :cool:
Any news on them using it to clean out the microplastics Mike ?

You know, that stuff we made from oil, and is currently ravaging the environment.

If only we'd looked towards renewables first, but hey ho, we are where we are.
 
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Any news on them using it to clean out the microplastics Mike ?

You know, that stuff we made from oil, and is currently ravaging the environment.

If only we'd looked towards renewables first, but hey ho, we are where we are.
I'm more worried about these plastic eating worms, fungi, bacteria?
We rely on plastic to last.
Imagine if *All* our plastic items got eaten away, eek!
 
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Most charging points at petrol stations are installed and operated by the EV network companies. The forecourt owners are paid rents. They find a few isolated cases to justify profiteering.
Except BP who made a big mistake. They bought the largest charging company, Chargemaster and set about installing chargers at all their filling stations. So they bought the installation costs and the poor incomes.

That's going to need some creative accounting to keep the shareholders happy.
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Except BP who made a big mistake. They bought the largest charging company, Chargemaster and set about installing chargers at all their filling stations. So they bought the installation costs and the poor incomes.

That's going to need some creative accounting to keep the shareholders happy.
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BP hasn't done well since the Horizon disaster. I still keep their shares though.
 
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"PRA] members are finding charging points take a long time – as long as 8-10 years – to recoup the initial cost associated with them. In fact, in some areas of the country it can cost £1.2 million just to ensure a correct level of power is being delivered.”
Of course, this was inevitable. The great majority of EV buyers at this early stage, well over 80%, will have home and/or "at work" chargers, so will do almost all their charging that way. Many are also only charging in the night when the unit cost can be as low as 5 pence.

As of February 2025, there are just under 2000 free electric vehicle (EV) charging points in the UK. While many are slow chargers typically found at dealerships, attractions, or hotels, some larger networks also offer free charging. So some EV owners are also not paying some or much of the time.

Take my contribution to public charging and other EV costs for example. The government gave me £4500 towards buying the car and £500 towards the cost of the home charger, Nissan gave me the rest of the charger installation cost.

In well over eight years of e-car ownership I've paid £8.26 contactless to Instavolt for two charges, and deposited but not used £10 with Geniepoint which I can get refunded. 98.6% of all my charging has been from my home charger

Not much profit in that for anyone and little wonder so many charging companies have merged or failed.

Of course with time and EV enforced growth this picture will dramatically change as charging patterns change, but meantime returns will remain lean for many suppliers.
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flecc

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BP hasn't done well since the Horizon disaster. I still keep their shares though.
I don't blame you, they'll still be selling plenty of car i.c. fuel for over 30 years yet and for many more years for other vehicles.
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