Steb

i was wondering the same, however - having lived on a very small sailboat (27 foot) for a year (to be fair in sunny Martinique) I am very aware of the difference between what we need and what we think we need. a laptop really is as good as a desktop, and a TV (if one isn't stuck in a country blanketed in fog, rain, impenetrable gloom for half the year), cooking can be very low energy (pressure cooker) as can cleaning (thermal shower, plastic 20L bag, black on one side, left in sun for four hours), transport (ordinary bike does journeys up to 10 miles practically). I only fired up the diesel once a month to check whether it works and whether the fuel's clean. a simple life is much more enjoyable, most of our "needs" are imagined.

Look at it this way - if I take an axe to your car and mangle 30% of its value to rubbish, how would you respond? That's what brexit'done so far to UK assets (not to mention more subjectively culture). If one takes uni formed actions that harm one's neighbours, badly, there will be anger.

There's a rather good old sci-fi movie called Brazil that's all about that

genuinely like heath Robinson as much as anyone else, but isn't it odd - brexitters either parody remainers' arguments, or say more persuasive arguments should be made to change their minds (Woosh) - without providing substantial arguments for it. There's something quite regressed going on for electorate I think, maybe it's too many years of being mollycoddled and not having to think for themselves. I honestly don't think anything short of a proper recession (or world war) can fix that.

or manually enter the digits on a cold November's morning when it won't scan because I'm all puckered up?

I half agree, but would go further - no personal bias, but exactly how far do you trust the police, or MI5, I wouldn't want to be usefully and recognisably in the frame for a crime I hadn't commit that needed to be buried, and I wouldn't put it beyond them to frame the innocent or abuse this kind of data given what has happened (Hillsborough etc). Much better to leave what happens to my data to my discretion

"we" do indeed, for all your tripe..

you know, somehow I find it easy to believe owning an audi is about all there is to life for you ;>)

yup, crass sounds quite appropriate for someone who's fantasies involve audis

You're priorities are just a little inverted. The retail sector you casually want to shake up through a serious self inflicted recession via brexit provide work, livelihood for many on lower income. Whether you can afford an a8 or an a6 is irrelevant, in the context of the economy, public's, nation's livelihood, taxes, social, health care (although I can't help wondering whether you and Zlatan are actually adolescent fantasists once the narrative about cars and published novels get going)

Vince did that remember. the Westminster system has very little to do with actual representation. your'e also ignoring significant (unhelpful, self focussed and destabilising but that's not Europe's fault) changes UK has made to the EU development over the years. it could have gone on to make more meaningful changes. it does sound as if you're hoping remainers will come up with the liberal equivalent of boris or gove, vacuous and seductively simplistic. there isn't as simplistic and obsessively self interested/centred arguments for the EU or greater interdependence, to grasp that one has to think, not wait for the next convincing liar to come along and promise even more xenophobic goodies.

in one sense this is good: watching Theresa may try to deliver on brexit is like watching a train crash in ultra slow motion. the longer she stays in charge and the longer cognitive dissonance stop the part of the electorate who voted for it from acknowledging their error the bigger the damage, in one sense, to the Tories.

but is that entirely unreasonable? taken to its logical extreme I can declare my house independent of the uk, not pay any taxes, and rely on the generosity of others to provide my protection, streets, infrastructure. or London could vote for independence from the uk (it would be much better off for it). isn't there a rationale for insisting on more interdependence? that Catalan owes Spain more of an allegiance and cant just separate for feeling flush and not wanting the burden of poorer Spanish communities?

what a small minded jingoistic comment. I'm not in the united kingdom.

you don't think about the decision. its all a blend of far fetched assumptions (and some trolling on zlatan's part). no offence, but that is very typical of what brexitters come up with when challenged with facts (metaphors about sailing, patriotic flights of fancy, personal attack). I imagine the bulk of brexit support comes from the football fraternity. perhaps the electorate should only be allowed to make decisions about the next FA cup.

I'm working, being on the forum is work avoidance, surprisingly, so no beer.

what can I say. you and peter's posts gives one such an acute sense of the mentality behind the brexit decision.

here's hoping this post is due to alcohol and not manic denial, if the latter your weekend is in for a turn for the worse..

Too true, brexiters don't like democratic discourse, dissent (a bit like Ledsom when she accused media of treason for questioning it). What can I say, this isn't North Korea. As it becomes ever more apparent what an unbelievably stupid, misguided decision it was there will be consequences.

read my mind..

very true (specially sailboats, that sail themselves beautifully). the thing most boats struggle with is a fat lunatic with a fire axe chopping the bottom to pieces. that's brexit. not so much the titanic hitting a berg. more the golden oldies on the upper deck morphing into self destructive zombies.

Well, chartering is a mugs game, usually funded by deferring vat on new yachts where that makes sense(wouldn't have thought bvi) no wonder you like brexit

Your posts become ever more ironic. What exactly do you think brexit is about? It's about May's hubby's g4s raking in tax payer money and delivering ever less more abusive services to the most vulnerable. That is an analogy for brexit being about the ugliest parts of global capital jumping on an opportunity to asset strip the UK and screw its citizens. And that includes you, who received from the EU the freedom to work and retire with reasonable affluence across a wide range of countries, in relative safety and with protection of your rights as an individual. Think why you choose not to live in say St Lucia? Endemic corruption, crime, elitism (I've lived there). It's all coming your way via brexit.

I In defence of our noble yacht delivery man, 'pedalling garbage' is probably more true to the activities of those on an ebike website..

Irony indeed. there you are, defending a system that's all about keeping you serving on the unprincipled who raid pension funds, dump the proceeds in plastic tubs and care less about you than they do about the public. There's more to life than that.