For me the Cube looks a good bike and seems pretty good value. As you will already have experienced though, the crank drive will feel different to the hub motors you seem to prefer.

It is true that I did like more the feeling in the hub motor because of the aceleration(that's everything) but maybe when I tried the other one I didn't play enough with the gears, as I used for 1km aprox.

As far as I know I think the crank drive is better for hilly areas, which is something I like, is true I don't live in a hilly area but if I want to go it won't be a problem.

Another thing is the one I tried was the bosch 300 and the cube is 400 and the 2014 model, so maybe is more powerful...

It is true that I did like more the feeling in the hub motor because of the aceleration(that's everything) but maybe when I tried the other one I didn't play enough with the gears, as I used for 1km aprox.

As far as I know I think the crank drive is better for hilly areas, which is something I like, is true I don't live in a hilly area but if I want to go it won't be a problem.

Another thing is the one I tried was the bosch 300 and the cube is 400 and the 2014 model, so maybe is more powerful...

 

The 400 refers to the battery and will increase your range but not effect the power. I believe the Bosch "Active" motor will not be any more powerful. You need the "Performance" motor for additional power.

As far as I know I think the crank drive is better for hilly areas, which is something I like, is true I don't live in a hilly area but if I want to go it won't be a problem.

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I can say without any hesitation that the BH won't struggle when it comes to hills. Mine puts up with a hell of a lot of abuse in relation to hill climbing, and I've yet to even notice the motor becoming warm.

 

I'm sure that you should be able to get the price that you have quoted down further as well. Start by asking if the bike is fitted with the 9ah battery or new the 12ah battery. If it's the former*, then start knocking them down.

 

 

 

* It will be the 9ah, but the fact that you have asked the question, might be enough to make them wriggle and budge a bit on the price.

Edited May 18, 201411 yr by EddiePJ

The BH Neo Extreme only comes with a 9Ah battery, and brand spanking new versions are called the Extreme Lite, and still only come with a 9Ah battery, so they may well be unwilling to move too much on price.

UK price is 1999 pounds, so if you can get it for less than that equivalent, it's a good price.

The cheapest Neo with a 12 Ah battery (11.6Ah) is the Cross at 2199 pounds sterling.

The price in here is 2450 euros what is more or less the same as 1999 pounds and it is with the 9ah Batery.

If I go to the cross here is about 2800 euros wich is 800 more than I wanted. ( well I was going to buy the sirocco 2 and then I am looking for 2000euros bikes..haha)

The cube is the one cheaper, looks with more or less same specs than the xenion650 but maybe a nicer looking plus the service and the extras I mentioned before.

I've just noticed you've upped your budget to Eur2,800 - most people would not spend more than £1000 on their first e-bike, not because they can't afford more than that, more because they can't be sure that they are going to use it that much, keep it that long or want to upgrade in the following year. If you buy a £600 bike (eg Sirocco 2 with 10AH battery, it will cover the same distance than the Xenion or the Xtrem) for Dublin, it's perfectly good for the commuting you have in mind, you can re-sell it a year later for £300-400, if you spend £2000 - a year later you'll get £1000 - £1200.

The main thing is that if I get one of the others I have support in here. Maybe is hard to have problems with the bikes that are very reliable, however you never know. If I get one of the woosh I would get maybe the cdl, and another option would be the vita uno. The price as you said is 900 euros plus the shipping that I have to pay that is about 70 euros. This is making nearly 1000euros which is 1000 less than the cube.

If I get a problem and I have to send there as I don't have support here I would have to pay twice (go and back) plus the service. If I have just one problem it would be nearly another 200 euros, yes, is true maybe I don't have the problem, but maybe I have.

That's why I upped my budget in 1000euros (2800 euros is the price of the cross which I am not going to get)

I know because everyone told me that woosh bikes are good, very good, and I didn't get any bad information about the vita uno as well, but once I am going to spend money, I wouldn't mind to be relaxed in case I get a problem with it.

About that I don't know if I will use that much you are rigth, but thinking that with the bike I save a parking space in Dublin city centre means 720 euros a year plus the petrol. I know myself and even if I hate I will use as long as I can because I've never mind the bad weather or so for using the bike, I just stopped with normal bikes because of the pain on my legs, but nothing else

we are talking about small probability here. The 8-Fun SWX motor on the Sirocco 2 is the same as on the Vita Uno, the reliability of this motor is really good. Less than 2% failure per annum. If it fails, courier cost to send the wheel to the UK is about £20. The manufacturers will pay to send it back to you. The rest of the electronics is plug and play, about £5 to send it back. The battery is the real problem, although failure rate is very low, very few couriers will accept to transport battery, the cost is about £27 by DPD Europe. I usually recommend Woosh for commuting because their bikes are well equipped and comfortable for the job and less likely to get nicked.

Edited May 18, 201411 yr by trex

Trex, after your answer I just look stupid hahaha( I was thinking to send the whole bike XD)

In that way you are right and I know they are very reliable bikes.

I knew about the batteries as sometimes they have to be sent separately from the bike.

I know they are good bikes but after trying the others is hard to say " I save money and I get one cheaper with lower specs" ( apart of the motor or battery)

I think that if someone never drove a car and the first one that try is a BMW and then a nissan, if he/she has the money would get probably the first one..

that's pretty accurate summing up. whichever bike you buy now, I bet you'll want to upgrade every year! (I do anyway).

You can be right trex, but hopefully you will be wrong hahaha

I hope I like enough to keep for few years.

I love coffee and I'm barista, last year I decided to buy an espresso machine and a grinder for 1500€, I asked in some well known forums and told me the same. At the moment, very happy with what I got and not thinking in upgrade or whatsoever

my son is coffee (machine) mad too. so how many cups of coffee do you drink a day?

Hahahaha that's the funny thing. I don't drink more than 2-3 lattes a day.

I use to improve my latte art skills and find some new drawings.

So sometimes I make 10 coffees and throw them in the sink, looking for the perfectionhahaha

development in coffee machines has indeed reached maturation, only humans can improve the end result now. E-bikes still have a long way to go. Look at the difference between a 2013 (classic) Bosch drive and a 2014 Bosch. Up to last year, crank drive was the way to go. Nobody is sure this year with the Panasonic hub motor. My bet still stands, you are going to want to upgrade your bike next year.

In coffee machines is not just like that, there are some super automatics machines where you throw the coffee beans and is doing everything for you, everyone thought that they weren't last too much but they still in the market because they have another function and are for another customers, about the bike I don't know, you'll maybe right..

Do anyone knows if the motor in the bh xenion 650 is the same as the cube reaction pro 2014?

I can't find the information, in the pictures they don't look the same and I just can find that the xenion use the ibs technology.. Is that one the older model?

Could anyone tell me if is any big differencebetween the Ktm macina cross( the cheaper one or the 10 which I think is the next one) and the cube reaction pro?

They have same motor and battery I think and looks pretty much the same..

Thanks lads

Xenion 650 has a classic bosch motor.

A 2014 Cube will have a newer Gen 2 Bosch...and probably the Active variant if it's under/around £2k

Xenion 650 has a classic bosch motor.

A 2014 Cube will have a newer Gen 2 Bosch...and probably the Active variant if it's under/around £2k

Yes it has the active line, the model I've looking at is the cube hybrid reaction pro 29.

Is any big differencebetween them?

I think the active line has 275 percent instead 250 and more torque,

Am I right?