Are we actually saying this is legitimate ??? Healthy for ebiking ???

 

 

I,m not commenting either way, just interested what everybody else thinks ???

Interestingly Cyclo Tricity make all customers sign quite a detailed contract/ agreement before disclosing derestriction codes.

 

Part of agreement...

 

Some posters might be interested in part 3.6...???

 

I,d like to know Cyclo Tricity,s idea of off road ????

Edited April 29, 201610 yr by (NoLongerRegistered#15675)

Asking difficult questions about suppliers who sponsor the forum won't improve your popularity.

 

Before Cyclotricity started selling that kit, they asked questions on the forum about the legality of the kits. If you do a search for the thread, you'll find answers to your questions.

I guess that means you support this type of behaviour then ???

Could not care less about my popularity on here, the long term use of pedelecs on roads and in countryside is far more important.

 

And yes it seems the kits are legal to sell but the lengths Cyclo City have gone to to distance themselves from using them derestricted suggests their use on roads certainly is not..and if not , exactly where are they used ???

 

Sponsoring Forum justifies it ???

 

Your post explains a great deal d8 !!

Edited April 29, 201610 yr by (NoLongerRegistered#15675)

The stealth is an interesting idea - having ridden one (though not to be fair the latest version) it was cheap and cheerful

 

Good thing or a bad thing? Its a product designed to appeal to a market, rather than something to single out for an ethical judgement imho - shedloads of way higher powered bikes available, and others eg xipi have been on the derestrict with a key game for way longer than cyclotricity have.

 

For me, there have always been folks meeting the needs of most markets if a 1000w ebike was involved in a fataloty it might get looked into but probably not - not worth the risk imho for what you gain from higher power, but i do think the risks are relatively small and cyclotricitys aggregatable part of those risks is pretty minute tbh

This really is picking over old bones.

Flud .....if you do a background search on this forum you will find a widely varying attitude to illegal e-bikes.

Many of us have gone through a moral loop,but Trading Standards and Vosa don't seem interested. The attitude is that there is nothing illegal in selling an illegal e-bike ,the illegality is using it.

One of the most high profile e-bike sellers in the UK openly sells S-class bikes in the UK (28 mph x 350 watt power),has done for many years nothing happens about it.

Off road boost buttons are specifically refered to in the regs and outlawed,any switch or mechanism to boost the power or speed off road is illegal.

If you are outraged that all these illegal bikes are openly sold in the UK,why not write to Trading Standards and/or Vosa,perhaps you will have more chance of stopping their sale than the rest of us.

Good luck.

KudosDave

go on the german forum and open a dongle thread or how to remove spd settings

Thanks for the heads up Flud. Do you have a link for buying them please?

diy and stick this on it

http://www.flyingmag.com/aircraft/siemens-unveils-260-kw-electric-aircraft-motor.

 

should be good for +200mph

I guess that means you support this type of behaviour then ???

Could not care less about my popularity on here, the long term use of pedelecs on roads and in countryside is far more important.

 

And yes it seems the kits are legal to sell but the lengths Cyclo City have gone to to distance themselves from using them derestricted suggests their use on roads certainly is not..and if not , exactly where are they used ???

 

Sponsoring Forum justifies it ???

 

Your post explains a great deal d8 !!

 

I,m not commenting either way, just interested what everybody else thinks ???

 

You said that you weren't going to comment, either way! You big fibber Flud.

 

Anyway, I think that it's a great forward thinking move. Out of interest, which musket are you using for hunting nowadays?

 

They've identified that there's a market out there for these bikes and are covering themselves legally in such sales. Hence the ambiguous frequent use of the term 'street legal'.

Edited April 29, 201610 yr by LeighPing

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk37/necromunger666/HPC_TYPHOON__48501.1456961828.1280.1280.jpg

 

few frame mods and should get it on there will blow that dyno up tho:eek:

and 1 10kw battery back pack

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk37/necromunger666/powerwall.jpg

My legal guys looked at disclaimers but you can get a customer to sign all the bits of paper in the world but if you as a seller watch a customer testing these illegal bikes you are complicit in the illegality.

It would be unusual for a customer to buy a bike unseen and untested so it would be a difficult sale.

If you buy or sell illegal e-bikes you just risk getting implicated in any action that would result after injury ,to either the rider or another.

It is only a matter of time before such an event happens,just cannot see it's worth all the commercial risk for such a small profit,some companies are more desperate for the business than others.

KudosDave

My legal guys looked at disclaimers but you can get a customer to sign all the bits of paper in the world but if you as a seller watch a customer testing these illegal bikes you are complicit in the illegality.

It would be unusual for a customer to buy a bike unseen and untested so it would be a difficult sale.

If you buy or sell illegal e-bikes you just risk getting implicated in any action that would result after injury ,to either the rider or another.

It is only a matter of time before such an event happens,just cannot see it's worth all the commercial risk for such a small profit,some companies are more desperate for the business than others.

KudosDave

 

And when it does happen Dave you don't think it will have repercussions on your business ?

By not selling illegal kit, or kit that can easily be made illegal Dave has a defence. If the law changes because someone else F's about then it is tough on a responsible seller. Not very fair. If Daves competition is bankrupted then Dave can look sad and smug as a remaining legal dealer.

How else could it affect him?

For a start pedelecs could easily be banned from country parks etc.. That would have dire consequences on e mtb sales.

 

The position of freedom we enjoy both on road and off it should be protected at all costs.That starts on here. ( not for a moment suggesting Dave above is doing otherwise)

It's nothing to get excited about. Many manufacturers are selling bikes with motors rated above 250w, but restricted to 25 km/h and labelled as 250w. That includes every Bosch motored bike and probably all similar ones, which includes your own, Flud. Probably best to keep quiet about it or we'll all be back om those underpowered bikes that we had ten years ago.

Everyday, as I ebike on my way to and from work, I meet an idiot on a derestricted ebike. Everytime I see him I yell "Illegal bike!". He is just zooming along the foot paths at 20 to 30 mph, no pedaling, not a care in the world. He has gotten so brave (insert stupid if you like) that he is now taking his place on a section of dual carrigeway with the traffic. I have seen him at speeds that must be approaching 40mph.

 

Hopefully nature will take its course and he will be caught. Perhaps he will find out his brakes were never meant for that kind of use and he will no longer be a treat to other road and footpath users. Hopefully he will not take some poor innocent with him. I see a potential Darwin Award winner here.

 

Further to this, if he does take a pedestrian out on a footpath, it will not bode well for all legal ebike users and sellers. I wonder if he got it from Cyclotricity? He is always going to fast to see. Point is, if the ability to break the law is given to you with instructions.....................

Everyday, as I ebike on my way to and from work, I meet an idiot on a derestricted ebike. Everytime I see him I yell "Illegal bike!". He is just zooming along the foot paths at 20 to 30 mph, no pedaling, not a care in the world. He has gotten so brave (insert stupid if you like) that he is now taking his place on a section of dual carrigeway with the traffic. I have seen him at speeds that must be approaching 40mph.

 

Hopefully nature will take its course and he will be caught. Perhaps he will find out his brakes were never meant for that kind of use and he will no longer be a treat to other road and footpath users. Hopefully he will not take some poor innocent with him. I see a potential Darwin Award winner here.

 

Further to this, if he does take a pedestrian out on a footpath, it will not bode well for all legal ebike users and sellers. I wonder if he got it from Cyclotricity? He is always going to fast to see. Point is, if the ability to break the law is given to you with instructions.....................

 

Or maybe it will never happen and we'll all live happily ever after. Just like that guy does.

Or maybe it will never happen and we'll all live happily ever after. Just like that guy does.

Or maybe you or someone you know and love gets picked off by this law abiding () citizen. I really do not know why anyone would even remotely defend this persons actions. We are taking footpaths here. You know, dog walkers, moms with kids, people staring at their phones with earbuds in (that's another thread) ect.

We can all invent all sorts of scenarios. Some people won't go out of the house when there's black clouds in the sky. Most people don't even think about it. Quite a few are struck by lightning. There's more people killed and seriously injured by lightning than illegal electric bikes.

 

There's more people killed on electric bikes than by them. That's where you should focus your concerns.

We can all invent all sorts of scenarios. Some people won't go out of the house when there's black clouds in the sky. Most people don't even think about it. Quite a few are struck by lightning. There's more people killed and seriously injured by lightning than illegal electric bikes.

 

There's more people killed on electric bikes than by them. That's where you should focus your concerns.

I agree wholeheartedly. As I am a careful cyclist whom happens to make a living from ebikes, it really concerns me when I see these things.

Are we actually saying this is legitimate ??? Healthy for ebiking ???

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I,m not commenting either way, just interested what everybody else thinks ???

 

You have two choices:

 

The United Kingdom EAPC rules -

 

• the bike must have pedals that can be used to propel it
  
• the electric motor shouldn’t be able to propel the bike when it’s travelling more than 15.5mph
  
• the motor shouldn’t have a maximum power output of more than 250 watts
  

It must also display one item from each of the following:

 

• the power output or manufacturer of the motor
  
• the battery’s voltage or maximum speed of the bike
  

https://www.gov.uk/electric-bike-rules -

 

Or the EU EPAC rules -

 

pedal cycles with pedal assistance which are equipped with an auxiliary electric motor having a maximum continuous rated power of less than or equal to 250 W, where the output of the motor is cut off when the cyclist stops pedalling and is otherwise progressively reduced and finally cut off before the vehicle speed reaches 25 km/h

 

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32013R0168

Edited April 30, 201610 yr by shemozzle999

Or maybe you or someone you know and love gets picked off by this law abiding :)rolleyes:) citizen. I really do not know why anyone would even remotely defend this persons actions. We are taking footpaths here. You know, dog walkers, moms with kids, people staring at their phones with earbuds in (that's another thread) ect.

 

Who's defending his actions? Not I. But life generally has a lot of 'ifs, buts and maybes'. Plonkers are inevitable. Regular cyclists overtake me when I'm doing 15mph. I don't see them as being any different from your guy. In fact, they're probably a bit more fatigued.

We can all invent all sorts of scenarios. Some people won't go out of the house when there's black clouds in the sky. Most people don't even think about it. Quite a few are struck by lightning. There's more people killed and seriously injured by lightning than illegal electric bikes.

 

There's more people killed on electric bikes than by them. That's where you should focus your concerns.

 

We all know full well where the derestricted Cyclo will be used. Surprisingly,I,m not against Cyclo selling bikes like this, or folk buying them or even helpful posters advising how to derestrict them but this is a Pedelec forum , we all know full well what that means in the eyes of the law,and as such is the shop window for Pedelecs in the UK. I really think the poster should have been reminded of this and your helpful reply sent by private message.

Mountain bikers, walkers and probably rangers want our access limited if not stopped. Cyclists see us as cheats. Folk are wanting evidence to limit the privileges we currently enjoy. Would be ironic at best for a Forum established to help pedelecs to supply the evidence to do so.??

I,ve just legally pedalled 25 miles around Lady Bower,I doubt very much wether my grandson will be able to do same when he,s my age if we don't do more to protect our position and foster a more responsible approach. That starts here.

 

Two months ago I was trying as many ebikes as possible. Called at one shop, really friendly, nice bikes. Tried a hub mtb. Was ok. Asked chap about throttle. " oh you retro fit that,its illegal but ok. Look the wire is here,just plug throttle in and fix to handle bars"

Called at James Cycles. Tried a Haibike. Asked about a dongle to derestrict.

"Oh no , we cant do that. It will stop your warranty anyway.We can tell from battery info so don't do it . You don't need to , bike is great without"

One approach is responsible. The other not so.

One approach protects future use ,the other is chasing sales today.

I bought from James cycles.

Seems our Forum is more akin to other shop.

Its bordering on immoral to allow Cyclo to sponsor Forum. Its plain wrong.

Edited April 30, 201610 yr by (NoLongerRegistered#15675)