Maybe they are going for stealth and pretending to be pedelecs?

 

http://www.kalkhoff-bikes.com/de/bikes/e-bike/e-performance/kalkhoff-integrale-s11-11-g.html

 

The German bike has the rear view mirror. Front light seems to be bespoke but the rest of the kit is their except for the horn.

The German bike has the rear view mirror. Front light seems to be bespoke but the rest of the kit is their except for the horn.

 

And there's no rear number plate illumination on some of them. Don't rely on the photo on 50cycles website, note the mirror on the left, clearly a photo of a German S class bike.

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Yep 2 mirrors needed for L1e-b,don't think there's there is a set size for the lights,just dip and main beam .Must have indicators.In the photo of the petrol L1e -a the tester wanted piping on the mudguards.I think if you can get the mudguards close enough to the wheel no piping needed.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160505/365ed60b64d532199f7f258db401df14.jpg

But would you want to go through all the hassle and uncertainty of gaining registration if you have just forked out £5k.

If there was a way,it would be in the interest of these importers to tell us how to do it.....these importers tend to be silent the moment they are pressed on which bike has achieved registration and how?

I just wish they would all be honest and state in their advertising that these S-class bikes have no means of registration,if you use one on our roads you risk prosecution,it is owner's risk.

KudosDave

Derogation for AHO lights and ABS Braking:

 

Just been informed that Claire Rees is no longer working on Motorcycles, the official responsible is Mike Lowe in IVS (DfT London)

 

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/additional/files/legislation/information-notices/latest-information-notice.pdf

Edited May 5, 20169 yr by shemozzle999

I disagree with you on this flecc, all of these components are on the s-class bikes I have seen for sale except for the horn:

 

- b+m rear view mirrors are seen on most photos of s-pedelecs.

- Many companies use a Supernova on the front and a b+m light on the back, the Supernova has low beam/high beam and dayligh running LEDs.

- Magura MT5e brakes (lever with ball ends and brake light switch)

- and Schwalbe makes approved tyres, you can even buy them for your bike!

The tyres need to be e/dot marked speed rated.Can you post a link or a photo of the e mark and speed rating.I will buy some if they are.Ball ends for the leavers can be made with chemical metal/ jb weld.

But would you want to go through all the hassle and uncertainty of gaining registration if you have just forked out £5k.

 

Not only that, as d8veh said earlier, afterwards confined to the roads, unable to use cyclepaths, shared use paths, bridleways and Sustrans routes. And not much fun on a hot day, cycling in a motorcycling helmet or risking a similar all over design.

 

If we eventually get the S class, possibly ok though still restrictive, but using it as an L1e-B moped I see as a very poor substitute for real e-biking.

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Not only that, as d8veh said earlier, afterwards confined to the roads, unable to use cyclepaths, shared use paths, bridleways and Sustrans routes. And not much fun on a hot day, cycling in a motorcycling helmet or risking a similar all over design.

 

If we eventually get the S class, possibly ok though still restrictive, but using it as an L1e-B moped I see as a very poor substitute for real e-biking.

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I can't see the s class ever been made legal in UK.How can you have a 24/28mph bike with only a cycle helmet when you have to wear a motorcycle helmet on a 16 mph L1e-A.

 

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I can't see the s class ever been made legal in UK.How can you have a 24/28mph bike with only a cycle helmet when you have to wear a motorcycle helmet on a 16 mph L1e-A.

 

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I agree it's completely irrational, but Switzerland, Germany, The Netherlands and soon France seem to think it's ok.

 

As the saying goes, "The law is an ass".

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Claire Rees has stopped working on motorcycles.Was she restoring a Norton or Kawasaki.Will the new guy be any better.

 

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Yep 2 mirrors needed for L1e-b,don't think there's there is a set size for the lights,just dip and main beam .Must have indicators.In the photo of the petrol L1e -a the tester wanted piping on the mudguards.I think if you can get the mudguards close enough to the wheel no piping needed.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160505/365ed60b64d532199f7f258db401df14.jpg

 

Looks great.. Had to put returned edges on car mudguards, edges well below minimum radius ( radii??)

I,d guess if gap is so small no fingers can get in.. With car they have a ball about 5 inch diameter. Anything it can get into has to have large radius.( Even suspension bolts, had to put black plastic covers on exposed nuts and bolts..) Normally stuff was fiddly rather than major.

All good fun.!

Looks great.. Had to put returned edges on car mudguards, edges well below minimum radius ( radii??)

I,d guess if gap is so small no fingers can get in.. With car they have a ball about 5 inch diameter. Anything it can get into has to have large radius.( Even suspension bolts, had to put black plastic covers on exposed nuts and bolts..) Normally stuff was fiddly rather than major.

All good fun.!

I think they use the ball on the bikes.And roll a cylinder down the side.Your allowed to sit on the bike with feet on footrests/pedals,so you can stop the cylinder catching on pedals with your foot.

There are so many dealers advertising Kalkhoff,Stromer,Bulls S-class e-bikes in the UK. All these dealers make a reference to registering these bikes.....register as a light moped,just register with the DVLA,easily registered,quotes appear on their websites.

There must be hundreds in use on UK roads,has anyone attempted to register one of these bikes.

I would love to import the KTM S-class bikes but need to assure my customers their is a mechanism for registration....I cannot find a way,maybe others have succeeded.

KudosDave

 

Hi Dave, yes we did. One of our dealers has registered a Riese and Müller HS model. It is now legally being ridden around Salisbury!

 

All the best, David

Hi Dave, yes we did. One of our dealers has registered a Riese and Müller HS model. It is now legally being ridden around Salisbury!

 

All the best, David

Good morning David.

I assume the Riese and Muller HS model is an S-class bike....that is outside the scope of an EAPC?

Your own website says these models have to be licensed?

What VOSA classification applies?

KudosDave

Edited May 8, 20169 yr by Kudoscycles

Good morning David.

I assume the Riese and Muller HS model is an S-class bike....that is outside the scope of an EAPC?

Your own website says these models have to be licensed?

What VOSA classification applies?

KudosDave

 

Hi Dave, just off to dem a couple of bikes. I'll get back to you tomorrow with the detail. Yes it was an S class bike.

 

It does look a bit ungainly with a full rear number plate, but we have proven it can be done.

 

All the best, David

Hi Dave, just off to dem a couple of bikes. I'll get back to you tomorrow with the detail. Yes it was an S class bike.

Any update on this? It's a subject many of us are interested in.

Come on Amps, spill the beans. We've had other dealers on here who have claimed to register an S-class then gone all quiet when challenged.

I have registered a Riese and Müller HS model (= electric moped). Original Schwalbe Big Ben tyres were OK (No,you don’t need motorcycle tyres). Original lights were good, but I replaced the rearlight with led motorcycle stoplight/number plate light (6V Mk2 Lightboard fitted inside a pattern Lucas L564 rearlight from norbsa02.freeuk.com). No indicator lights needed. I needed hydraulic brakes with sensors (to control brake light). I managed to find a set of Tektro Dorado HD-E710 brakes from dillengerelectricbikes.co.uk. Levers are not sold separately so I had to buy whole set (very expensive). I also needed “Engine power restriction information plate” (MSVA inspection manual section 23). I printed it out myself.

Also: Bike must have a number plate holder.

Kickstand must automatically retract when bike is moved forward.

Right hand mirror is compulsory.

 

So it can be done but.. No one is willing to insure my bike. Don’t be fooled by companies who advertise that they can insure “almost anything” (like Bikesure).

 

REGISTRATION YES, INSURANCE NO.

 

More info:

MSVA inspection manual:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/motorcycle-single-vehicle-approval-inspection-manual

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/new-registrations

Edited February 24, 20179 yr by kiva

I have registered a Riese and Müller HS model (= electric moped). Original Schwalbe Big Ben tyres were OK (No,you don’t need motorcycle tyres). Original lights were good, but I replaced the rearlight with led motorcycle stoplight/number plate light (6V Mk2 Lightboard fitted inside a pattern Lucas L564 rearlight from norbsa02.freeuk.com). No indicator lights needed. I needed hydraulic brakes with sensors (to control brake light). I managed to find a set of Tektro Dorado HD-E710 brakes from dillengerelectricbikes.co.uk. Levers are not sold separately so I had to buy the whole set (very expensive). I also needed “Engine power restriction information plate” (MSVA inspection manual section 23). I printed it out myself.

Also: Bike must have a number plate holder.

Kickstand must automatically retract when bike is moved forward.

 

So it can be done but.. No one in UK is willing to insure my bike. Don’t be fooled by companies who advertise that they can insure “almost everything” (like Bikesure).

 

REGISTRATION YES, INSURANCE NO.

 

More info:

MSVA inspection manual:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/motorcycle-single-vehicle-approval-inspection-manual

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/new-registrations

Try Adrian flux insurance,it may cost you a arm and a leg though.

I have registered a Riese and Müller HS model (= electric moped). Original Schwalbe Big Ben tyres were OK (No,you don’t need motorcycle tyres). Original lights were good, but I replaced the rearlight with led motorcycle stoplight/number plate light (6V Mk2 Lightboard fitted inside a pattern Lucas L564 rearlight from norbsa02.freeuk.com). No indicator lights needed. I needed hydraulic brakes with sensors (to control brake light). I managed to find a set of Tektro Dorado HD-E710 brakes from dillengerelectricbikes.co.uk. Levers are not sold separately so I had to buy the whole set (very expensive). I also needed “Engine power restriction information plate” (MSVA inspection manual section 23). I printed it out myself.

Also: Bike must have a number plate holder.

Kickstand must automatically retract when bike is moved forward.

 

So it can be done but.. No one in UK is willing to insure my bike. Don’t be fooled by companies who advertise that they can insure “almost everything” (like Bikesure).

 

REGISTRATION YES, INSURANCE NO.

 

More info:

MSVA inspection manual:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/motorcycle-single-vehicle-approval-inspection-manual

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/new-registrations

 

 

If you have any, pics would be nice.

Edited February 24, 20179 yr by LeighPing

Try Adrian flux insurance,it may cost you a arm and a leg though.

Bikesure is Adrian Flux's 'motorcycle division'.

So it can be done but.. No one is willing to insure my bike. Don’t be fooled by companies who advertise that they can insure “almost anything” (like Bikesure).

 

Until the government approve the S class for use in the UK with a distinct classification, I think this is inevitable. Insurance companies won't want to step outside the list of approved vehicles. The fact that alterations have to be made for registration to be achieved makes matters worse, since it can then make the bike like a kit build in their eyes.

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No one is willing to insure my bike. Don’t be fooled by companies who advertise that they can insure “almost anything” (like Bikesure).

 

REGISTRATION YES, INSURANCE NO.

 

I hit that same brick wall many years ago whilst making enquiries to register and insure a farm related motorbike.

 

Because the bike didn't show up on computer records as a recognised vehicle, no one would insure it. Luckily I had had the sense to explore the ins and outs of it all before buying the bike, and didn't follow through with the purchase.

Edited February 25, 20179 yr by EddiePJ

I would try again,sometimes you get a telephone operator who does not know what they are talking about. I insure my classic motor caravan with Adrian flux (motor caravan is what it says on the v5,one company said you can't have a motor in a caravan. Had to explain what a motor caravan is motor home,camper call it what you want.)How did you get your registration for your bike. I thought DVLA required MSVA,MOT and insurance before they would issue a registration.I imported a 1966 lambretta and had to get a dating certificate, MOT and insurance for that before been issued a reg number,I used Carole Nash for that. last year I enquired about insuring a 50cc motorbicycle using a kit like this with Adrian flux only problem was it would be £180 to insure on the frame number going down to about £80 the next year with a reg number.Maybe amps will be along and tell you who their customers get their bikes insured with.

You can buy s-pedelec insurance from any company in the EU: http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/financial-products-and-services/insurance-products/index_en.htm

 

So any insurance company in Germany, the Netherlands or Austria will know what your bike is and be able to offer you a quote. Things may get a little complicated for you next month...