Its reckoned 75% of my Towns Asian community voted to leave ? Suppose they are racist too ??

 

Now then that's a brave assumption to make when there is evidence that they CAN be (note the word CAN) and in fact there is reported evidence.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_Kingdom

I think he falls in the "naïve" with delusions of grandeur category

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-peter-hargreaves-lansdown-leave-eu-referendum-share-price-a7108871.html

do you have any personal views or do you only quote others?

 

Yes, you are obviously late to thread.

And yes your description of Hargreaves may well be correct ( but again you seem to have to put people in boxes) but I notice how you didn't label him a racist, which negates your own argument.

Unfortunately this is what happens, posters like yourself spend more time criticizing others than actually talking about matter in hand.

What box do you put yourself in steb ?

Edited August 8, 20178 yr by Zlatan

Now then that's a brave assumption to make when there is evidence that they CAN be (note the word CAN) and in fact there is reported evidence.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_Kingdom

 

That's why I said reckoned. All my Asian friends voted leave.

That's why I said reckoned. All my Asian friends voted leave.

And I in turn used the word "CAN"

touché, my friend!

(I had to cut and paste that due to this keyboard!)

True, but it's also clearly evident that racism among the British native population was and still is a very big factor in the desire to leave the EU. Their own words have frequently shown it only too obviously, as their behaviour often does too.

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That's subjective at best Flecc.

I,ve said I so many times nobody can assume why voters vote as they did. Besides, its a totally pointless stance, apart from stirring up more prejudice and bad feeling.

That's why I said reckoned. All my Asian friends voted leave.

..minor correction .... My Asian friends stated that they voted leave

And I in turn used the word "CAN"

touché, my friend!

(I had to cut and paste that due to this keyboard!)

 

Perhaps your pedantism ( is there such a word) could be directed at remainers claiming all leavers are racist ??? Think that is rather a larger claim OG ??

..minor correction .... My Asian friends stated that they voted leave

 

Yep , fair point.

Yes, you are obviously late to thread.

And yes your description of Hargreaves may well be correct ( but again you seem to have to put people in boxes) but I notice how you didn't label him a racist, which negates your own argument.

Unfortunately this is what happens, posters like yourself spend more time criticizing others than actually talking about matter in hand.

What box fo you put yourself in steb ?

if you read my previous post you'll note that I in fact offered you an opportunity to climb out of the box leave voters dragged themselves into public consciousness in - by asking you to provide a reasonable justification for brexit - as opposed to the "immigration" (make that closet racism, as research on immigrants contribution to UK society prove) arguments and other manure (as spread by Boris). I note you haven't taken the opportunity. I must confess I'm not surprised. its a familiar experience when asking a leave voter to explain their vote.

That's subjective at best Flecc.

 

I've long lost count of the number of times people being interviewed on TV and Radio have openly made racist statements in connection with Brexit.

 

Most commonly commencing with the words, "I'm not racist but - - - - - ", they then go on to say something blatantly racist about the presence of foreigners in Britain.

 

The current situation is akin to that at the time of the race riots against the police in St. Pauls, Bristol and Brixton, London. Lord Scarman's inquiry concluded that institutional racism within the police was the cause.

 

Such was the denial that it existed in a police force that decades later it was once again found to be the cause of the police failure to adequately investigate the murder of Stephen Lawrence.

 

And here we are in the third millennium with mass denial still going on!

 

There is very widespread racism within the native British population, the evidence for it clear to anyone using their eyes and ears. The reason it's denied is because it is so institutionalised within our society that it is no longer recognised as such, even by those guilty of it.

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Edited August 8, 20178 yr by flecc

if you read my previous post you'll note that I in fact offered you an opportunity to climb out of the box leave voters dragged themselves into public consciousness in - by asking you to provide a reasonable justification for brexit - as opposed to the "immigration" (make that closet racism, as research on immigrants contribution to UK society prove) arguments and other manure (as spread by Boris). I note you haven't taken the opportunity. I must confess I'm not surprised. its a familiar experience when asking a leave voter to explain their vote.

 

I cant offer an explanation for the 17kk people who voted leave. The only one I can offer ( which I did, which I should not have to) is my own.

Your argument is now " majority" of leavers are racist ? You accept( I think) Tha neither myself or PH are racist but you insist on sticking to the divisive,insulting,subjective,inflamitory comment that leavers are racist, with absolutely bi hard evidence at all. And to no avail, just to express a prejudiced hateful comment with no possible beneficial outcome. You are being absurd.

Flecc

I expected rather more of an enlightened comment from you. I,m out of here again.

Leave you,steb and tom to insult who you want. (Its pointless flecc)

 

Just think on what you are saying here . 17 million racists living on an an island of mongrel inhabitants.??? Think about it. Its not actually possible, without civil war,massive social unrest. Its an utterly stupid conjecture, and likely to cause much bad feeling.

You all need to get out more and stop reading the garbage.

The UK is not a racist nation. Never really has been.

Yes, we have racists,but thankfully a minority.

Edited August 8, 20178 yr by Zlatan

I cant offer an explanation for the 17kk people who voted leave. The only one I can offer ( which I did, which I should not have to) is my own.

Your argument is now " majority" of leavers are racist ? You accept( I think) Tha neither myself or PH are racist but you insist on sticking to the divisive,insulting,subjective,inflamitory comment that leavers are racist, with absolutely bi hard evidence at all. And to no avail, just to express a prejudiced hateful comment with no possible beneficial outcome. You are being absurd.

Flecc

I expected rather more of an enlightened comment from you. I,m out of here again.

Leave you,steb and tom to insult who you want. (Its pointless flecc)

 

Just think on what you are saying here . 17 million racists living on an an island of mongrel inhabitants.??? Think about it. Its not actually possible, without civil war,massive social unrest. Its an utterly stupid conjecture, and likely to cause much bad feeling.

You all need to get out more and stop reading the garbage.

The UK is not a racist nation. Never really has been.

Yes, we have racists,but thankfully a minority.

Remarkable that we created the biggest empire in world history without being racist

 

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I cant offer an explanation for the 17kk people who voted leave. The only one I can offer ( which I did, which I should not have to) is my own.

Your argument is now " majority" of leavers are racist ? You accept( I think) Tha neither myself or PH are racist but you insist on sticking to the divisive,insulting,subjective,inflamitory comment that leavers are racist, with absolutely bi hard evidence at all. And to no avail, just to express a prejudiced hateful comment with no possible beneficial outcome. You are being absurd.

Flecc

I expected rather more of an enlightened comment from you. I,m out of here again.

Leave you,steb and tom to insult who you want. (Its pointless flecc)

 

Just think on what you are saying here . 17 million racists living on an an island of mongrel inhabitants.??? Think about it. Its not actually possible, without civil war,massive social unrest. Its an utterly stupid conjecture, and likely to cause much bad feeling.

You all need to get out more and stop reading the garbage.

The UK is not a racist nation. Never really has been.

Yes, we have racists,but thankfully a minority.

your patriotism is poignant, but unfortunately also misguided and deluded. confounding the decision about eu membership with patriotic fantasies about "who we are" is I think what got us into this mess.

Flecc

I expected rather more of an enlightened comment from you.

 

So clear evidence and the accepted views of Lord Justice Scarman and the IPCC are unenlightened? Really! You are obviously someone who cannot see the institutional racism, despite how obvious it is.

 

The UK is not a racist nation. Never really has been.

Yes, we have racists,but thankfully a minority.

 

This reply is just inexperience, the UK has had widespread areas of popularly accepted racism during my lifetime. It was once commonplace and accepted that boarding houses etc would have outside a notice saying such as "No blacks, no Irish", and for decades our society saw nothing wrong in that. Are you really trying to tell me that was not national racism?

 

As for your use of minority today, I agree that the overtly racist are a minority, since only the bravest express their real views. But the institutionally racist are commonplace and in very large numbers, and were a major presence in the Leave vote, as their own statements have shown.

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Yes, you are obviously late to thread.

And yes your description of Hargreaves may well be correct ( but again you seem to have to put people in boxes) but I notice how you didn't label him a racist, which negates your own argument.

Unfortunately this is what happens, posters like yourself spend more time criticizing others than actually talking about matter in hand.

What box do you put yourself in steb ?

look on the bright side, the whole brexit debacle has been transforming - for all of us. here you find yourself recognising that Hargreaves was naïve, and whether one likes it or not (and I don't) the world waking up to something of a mini right wing revolution as some aggrieved voters who don't feel part of a globalising world go reactionary. its a great deal more expensive than psychotherapy (I think), but it is a catharsis of sorts. we are all capable of racism. we all need to engage in healthy self critical self reflection to keep it in check. there is no need to leave the thread just because we're getting into our collective baggage.

Sometimes its better to take a break than react..

But agree with your last post. Couldn't leave permanently, I,m hooked.

Take care. No harm done.

Sometimes its better to take a break than react..

But agree with your last post. Couldn't leave permanently, I,m hooked.

Take care. No harm done.

Thanks, same here, brexit I think stirs up intense stuff in everyone

Thanks, same here, brexit I think stirs up intense stuff in everyone

 

Yep agreed. Same to you.

one of the big factors for voting leave is the way brexiters are portrayed as lowly educated, racists and pig ignorant on economics.

Nothing motivates people to bite you back more than gratuitous insults.

 

Have you seen and heard some of the Brexiters on Question Time???

KudosDave

Have you seen and heard some of the Brexiters on Question Time???

KudosDave

 

Have you read some of the remainers posts on here ???

I cant offer an explanation for the 17kk people who voted leave. The only one I can offer ( which I did, which I should not have to) is my own.

Your argument is now " majority" of leavers are racist ? You accept( I think) Tha neither myself or PH are racist but you insist on sticking to the divisive,insulting,subjective,inflamitory comment that leavers are racist, with absolutely bi hard evidence at all. And to no avail, just to express a prejudiced hateful comment with no possible beneficial outcome. You are being absurd.

Flecc

I expected rather more of an enlightened comment from you. I,m out of here again.

Leave you,steb and tom to insult who you want. (Its pointless flecc)

 

Just think on what you are saying here . 17 million racists living on an an island of mongrel inhabitants.??? Think about it. Its not actually possible, without civil war,massive social unrest. Its an utterly stupid conjecture, and likely to cause much bad feeling.

You all need to get out more and stop reading the garbage.

The UK is not a racist nation. Never really has been.

Yes, we have racists,but thankfully a minority.

 

One of my friends voted Leave only because they were fed up with the black guys hanging around the local bookmakers. I did point out to them that those guys are from Libya/Yemen/Somalia etc,these countries are not in the EU,we already have the right to control them, what they were actually voting for was to try and control white guys from Poland etc ....'Oh I didnt realise that, our plumber is from Poland,hes a really nice guy,dont want to stop him,still he'll be alright he's white'.

These are old middle class Tory voters,quite bright people...I wonder how many Brexiters thought they were stopping all immigration.

It just shows how uninformed Brexit voters really were!!!!

KudosDave

One of my friends voted Leave only because they were fed up with the black guys hanging around the local bookmakers. I did point out to them that those guys are from Libya/Yemen/Somalia etc,these countries are not in the EU,we already have the right to control them, what they were actually voting for was to try and control white guys from Poland etc ....'Oh I didnt realise that, our plumber is from Poland,hes a really nice guy,dont want to stop him,still he'll be alright he's white'.

These are old middle class Tory voters,quite bright people...I wonder how many Brexiters thought they were stopping all immigration.

It just shows how uninformed Brexit voters really were!!!!

KudosDave

I sometimes link with a local NHS team - have done for some years. it is ironic. ten years ago the staff were permanent, predominantly white, perhaps 30% immigrants (Poles, French, even Italian). Now post brexit around 60% are agency staff - non white (Nigerian, south African, Zimbabwean, Indian, Pakistani). they're all very skilled, responsible clinicians. as an aside their ethnicity doesn't matter - what really does is that their agency staff - its bad for them and the tax payer, but that's another matter. However, there's an irony - the UK needs immigrants, badly. we're an aging population lacking skilled young tax payers. They will come from somewhere. the lies about immigrants brexitters believed were just that - lies. their not a basis for any future - immigrants will have to come, in significant numbers.

Have you read some of the remainers posts on here ???

 

The subject of Brexit seems to bring out the worst in people....recently on Adam Boultons 'All out politics' there were 2 middle aged ladies,after 5 mins of Brexit negotiations they were starting a cat fight,he had to almost pull them apart.

Brexiters are easily wound up...you only have to say 'Brexit wont happen' and they go into one....Remainers are sort of resigned to Brexit going ahead and not happy about it but accept,if we do a U-turn and scrap Brexit I can see Brexiters rioting like the Poll Tax .

The frustrating thing is that many Brexiters dont know what Brexit will achieve,they voted for all sorts of reasons not related to Brexit and most,actually probably all,will not be realised....What has May done or even indicated she is going to do to satisfy these people.

I am a Remainer, not for selfish reasons, in fact the strength of the Euro v £ is making my export business boom but I think everyone will suffer if Brexit goes ahead,the poor will suffer the most.

KudosDave

Have you read some of the remainers posts on here ???

I've written most of them! still, nobody's perfect!

Have you seen and heard some of the Brexiters on Question Time???

KudosDave

are you saying that they are idiots and should not be heard?