The more likely reason is eMTB don't pay extra for lift passes.

 

Yep, that's my view as well. The stated reasons are big hairy ones

Too much spin in their explanation, why don't they just say that they do not want ebikes?

Its impossible for them to cause less damage since their weight alone is at least double that of a normal MTB

 

The weight of any bike is a fraction of the weight of the rider. So the weight of the rider is a much more important factor IF, as according to you, more weight = more damage.

 

So this park should weight the riders first as they enter and charge them according to weight if they want to be totally fair.

 

Of course it's all baloney. It's a good scam to rake in more money from people who they think can afford it. The only way these type of business people learn is by hitting them in the wallet. So don't go there. By not being fair to e-bikers they will lose out in the long run as e-bikes will become very common soon.

Its obvious, they are hiking prices now because they know in a few years no one will be using the uplift service.

Update from BPW

• We have decided to adjust the entrance fee for e-bikes from £15 to £12 with immediate effect. This is to reflect the fact this is not about profit but to ensure there is a differentiation between self-propelled riders and e-bikes for the reasons already indicated.

 

http://ebike-mtb.com/en/bikepark-wales-explains-price-hike-e-mtbs/

it is still 8 quid if you have a disability mode so just turn up pissed

Problem is a lot of eMTBs have a switch for 'offroad only' use, illegal on the streets

 

and illegal at Bike Park Wales too... in fact just as illegal offroad as they are onroad, the texture of the surface doesn't make a difference to legality in this case.

I read a few other forums with people saying this just isn't true, that they do less damage, this is why I question such blanket statements as seen in the video above as they usually come from the people who dislike E-Bikes.

 

eBikes = more riding, so of course more damage.

eBikes = more riding, so of course more damage.

 

I do not buy that argument, what type of person buys an E-Bike, a person who needs a little assistance with cycling, I have nerve damage in my legs and hands, that's why I use an E-Bike now, I think you will do more or equal damage if you are a fitter person roaring down the hills on a normal bike.

 

Point is, this is about profit, not about facts, if a trail is going to be damaged it's likely to be damaged by both types of bike so charge the same for both types of bike, we already have a divide between bikers, this just deepens the divide and is unhealthy and shouldn't be encouraged.

With increased contact patch, should riders with 4.6 wide fat tyres be charged at a premium rate? They are likely to be using twice the ground space of someone on regular 2.3 tyre throughout their ride, especially if running super low pressures

This is where it gets silly and a little pedantic, but it does kind of follow the explanation / justification, use of uplift service or not.

what type of person buys an E-Bike

 

Someone rich enough to pay at least twice as much to cycle.

 

That's obviously what's behind the thinking, e-bikers can afford more.

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I do not buy that argument, what type of person buys an E-Bike, a person who needs a little assistance with cycling, I have nerve damage in my legs and hands, that's why I use an E-Bike now, I think you will do more or equal damage if you are a fitter person roaring down the hills on a normal bike.

 

 

You and many others here seem to be missing the point and BPW's argument. Its not that ebikes do more damage per run down the trails, its that there are more runs per session - therefore more total damage. And they are correct.

And I don't buy your argument that the type of person buying an ebike is a person who 'needs a little assistance' because of some ailment. Not for the people hurtling down the technical sections of places like bike park wales anyway.

But what sort of damage are we talking about?

So a corner needs some more earth, one shovel, five shovels.

I think that they are overstating the case to exploit ebikers

Trail damage. What a crock! Someone show me the damage that an ebike can do please!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaTujdXDZK0

You and many others here seem to be missing the point and BPW's argument. Its not that ebikes do more damage per run down the trails, its that there are more runs per session - therefore more total damage. And they are correct.

And I don't buy your argument that the type of person buying an ebike is a person who 'needs a little assistance' because of some ailment. Not for the people hurtling down the technical sections of places like bike park wales anyway.

This.

Come on its hardly expensive anyway, just another case of idiots moaning over nothing.

This.

Come on its hardly expensive anyway, just another case of idiots moaning over nothing.

So your fellow E-Bike users are now idiots are they?

 

Nice, I figured we could all agree or disagree without the name calling, I guess you figure otherwise!

So your fellow E-Bike users are now idiots are they?

Are all Ebike users moaning over it?

Are all Ebike users moaning over it?

 

I thought we were having a discussion and putting our points across, if that is considered moaning then you have a strange view of the place.

So glad I live in the Forest of Dean, it's all free here.

Don't argue, just vote here. Click to vote please.

This.

Come on its hardly expensive anyway, just another case of idiots moaning over nothing.

 

Well earlier on in the thread you were arguing it was weight that was the reason for increased damage and now you've switched to the argument that its extra runs that increase damage.

 

If the basis for the increase in price for ebikes is based on solid research and evidence then they should publish the figures to justify the increase. eg if their extensive investigation discovered ebikes did 50% more runs on average than a normal bike in a session then they would have good grounds for an appropriate increase.

 

The fact that they have 'adjusted' the price for ebikes from £15 to £12 suggests to me that haven't done any research at all and are just plucking figures out of their a***s .

 

And whether it's 'hardly expensive' is not the point. It's discrimination for no justifiable reason with no evidence to back it up. It's a cash grab by greedy park owners.

I do not buy that argument, what type of person buys an E-Bike, a person who needs a little assistance with cycling, I have nerve damage in my legs and hands, that's why I use an E-Bike now, I think you will do more or equal damage if you are a fitter person roaring down the hills on a normal bike.

 

Point is, this is about profit, not about facts, if a trail is going to be damaged it's likely to be damaged by both types of bike so charge the same for both types of bike, we already have a divide between bikers, this just deepens the divide and is unhealthy and shouldn't be encouraged.

 

Your missing the point of eBikes to many many people. People buying eMTB to ride at Bike Park Wales are doing it so they can use their bike to ride up instead of paying for the uplift, they will be considerably quicker than they are on normal bikes up the hill and not use as much energy, therefore they'll do more downhill runs on a heavier bike.

 

From personal experience at riding eBikes at these sort of places I get about 3 x as much riding in compared to me on a normal bike. This is why many people are buying eBikes... they = more riding in the same amount of time, or more fun bikes for the same amount of energy.