The rear carrier seems unsupported.

Not criticising because the step through centre motor is very tempting to me.

 

Anotherkiwi is correct the aluminium mudguard is an integral part of the rack suport. It is certified up to 25kg, the same as any other rack.

 

All the best, David

I did ask in an earlier posting David? weight limits(rider and luggage ) please before I have heart attack at these lovely bikes! and when do you think the official launch will be? cheers and well done, again

I did ask in an earlier posting David? weight limits(rider and luggage ) please before I have heart attack at these lovely bikes! and when do you think the official launch will be? cheers and well done, again

 

Hi Al,

 

Weight limits will be 20 stones. The launch is at Eurobike in September, bikes will Best regards, David available March 2020.

 

All the best. David

Studio shots...

 

All the new bikes will come with either City, Adventure or Mountain packs.

 

The idea is that from two base models a buyer can specify the bike to suit their needs the best, it's been done in the motor trade for years. Will it work with ebikes?

1. Choose a Step through or Crossbar frame
   
2. Choose a Hub Drive or Mid Drive motor
   If you choose a Hub Drive would you prefer Cadence or Torque sensor?
   If you choose a Mid Drive would you prefer 100Nm or 125Nm of torque?
   
3. Chose a battery size, 450Wh 575Wh or 700Wh
   
4. Choose a Colour
   
5. Choose the style you would like, City, Adventure or Mountain
   
6. Choose whether you would like a Front Rack fitted to your bike
   

So from these few simple choices you can create your own very distinctive “bespoke” Wisper Wayfarer. There are over 400 possibilities...

 

Here are the three styles available in each model.

 

Wayfarer Mid Motor, Cross Bar, City

 

Wayfarer Mid Motor, Cross Bar, Adventure

 

Wayfarer Mid Motor, Cross Bar, Mountain

 

For more info go to... https://wisperbikes.com/wisper-works-eroad-bikes-2/

 

All the best, David

Yes, I think that's a great system. It avoids buying a bike then having to change things on it. You end up with a shed-full of bits you don't want! My four year-old grandson saw your bikes when I was visiting the website. 'That's a nice bike, and you can put things on the front'. What a perceptive lad!

I'm hopefully buying a bikevafter Christmas... Any one explain difference between torque and cadence plesse

They look stunning and being able to choose the specs is a great. When I got my 905 I changed to wider tyres and mountain bike handlebars and the idea of the front rack is great, Well done all at Wisper. Steve W...

Cadence just measures how fast you are pedalling. Most cadence sensors just sense if you are pedalling or not. Once it decides you are it provides power dependent on the level you select on the control.

 

Torque measures how hard you are pedalling, and the power is provided to give a factor boost. Typically 50% or so in low/eco, so you are doing 2/3 the work and it is doing 1/3; and 200% in full so you do 1/3 and it does 2/3.

 

Torque feels more like riding a standard bike with extra strong legs. It also can usually sense torque and give full torque from a standing start; very useful on hill start across junctions. Cadence usually does not kick in until you have manged 1/2 pedal turn or so.

 

With cadence you can be very lazy; put it in a low gear and pedal so slowly you aren't pushing at all; the motor will then do 100% of the work. Of course, you can also have that laziness with a throttle, but there are various confusing legal issues about throttles operating when you aren't pedalling.

 

Torque is more common with crank drive and cadence with hub drive motors; but that is not always the case. CD/torque systems tend to be the most expensive.

Cadence just measures how fast you are pedalling. Most cadence sensors just sense if you are pedalling or not. Once it decides you are it provides power dependent on the level you select on the control.

 

Torque measures how hard you are pedalling, and the power is provided to give a factor boost. Typically 50% or so in low/eco, so you are doing 2/3 the work and it is doing 1/3; and 200% in full so you do 1/3 and it does 2/3.

 

Torque feels more like riding a standard bike with extra strong legs. It also can usually sense torque and give full torque from a standing start; very useful on hill start across junctions. Cadence usually does not kick in until you have manged 1/2 pedal turn or so.

 

With cadence you can be very lazy; put it in a low gear and pedal so slowly you aren't pushing at all; the motor will then do 100% of the work. Of course, you can also have that laziness with a throttle, but there are various confusing legal issues about throttles operating when you aren't pedalling.

 

Torque is more common with crank drive and cadence with hub drive motors; but that is not always the case. CD/torque systems tend to be the most expensive.

Best explanation on torque/cadence I've seen!

Like the sporty rake on crossbar but +1 for clean lined stepthru as above. I do see the present rack's aesthetic attraction, so if 25kg, +2. Longer mudguards with flaps keeps it clean, +3, and a double leg stand means steering damper not needed maybe? Suspension seatpost always a nice option.

A 10kg limit on front rack as it's cantilevered out I'm guessing? I've never weighed my shopping ;-). And a parking brake means it doesn't roll away.

So carbon didn't catch on despite weight savings? Mmm, pity, if everyone used it presumably the premium price could drop. Is the stepthru a lot heavier than the crossbar?

Cheers, Mikel

Edited September 4, 20196 yr by MikelBikel

Supported in front by the aluminium mudguard. Often these type of carriers are limited to 15 kg instead of 25 kg.

 

I am about to break my piggy bank for one of these - https://www.herkelmannbikes.com/shop/wingee/ I just noticed the price is down 40€ since the last time I looked!

Am i reading in the pdf on that website referring to a "Max 8kg je seite"? 8kg per side, or 8kg total? Mmm, pity, and 130euros, plus rack extn 27euros. Cheers. Mikel

So carbon didn't catch on despite weight savings? Mmm, pity, if everyone used it presumably the premium price could drop

Carbon frames on a light weight racing bikes give a huge weight saving percentage wise but on heavy ebikes the saving is nowhere near as significant. Some of the drawbacks are difficulties in mounting stuff and the risk of catastrophic damage.

I was looking at buying a carbon framed Cube ebike last year and am so pleased that I saw sense and went for an aluminium framed ebike instead.

Bring back real steel, chrome moly is light & supple, yes? And coz it doesn't fatigue, it can be thinner, even for cargo bikes. But I'm no metallurgist, so should do research before spouting off, hehe :-). Cheers. Mikel

Am i reading in the pdf on that website referring to a "Max 8kg je seite"? 8kg per side, or 8kg total? Mmm, pity, and 130euros, plus rack extn 27euros. Cheers. Mikel

 

Per side, 16 kg is a lot of groceries! They are aluminium and hand made which helps explain the price ticket of 147.89€ (shipping included) for a rear mudguard.

 

Tubus Fly = 80€ + accessories + shipping

SKS Bluemels 25€ + shipping (the front mudguard being useless clutter...)

 

So the price difference is not so much and the carrier has a lower CG, that is important on a trike. Plus the plastic Bluemel I have rattles like heck and flops about at speed.

Bring back real steel, chrome moly is light & supple, yes? And coz it doesn't fatigue, it can be thinner, even for cargo bikes. But I'm no metallurgist, so should do research before spouting off, hehe . Cheers. Mikel

 

My 25 year old steel mountain bike weighed exactly the same as my new fancy "lightweight" aluminium one.

 

Was talking about this in the bike shop recently and the chap there said that due to EU rules about bike strength, steel frames now need to be grossly over-engineered making them very heavy and expensive.

 

Could it be that an arts graduate bureaucrat didn't quite understand the relative strengths and properties of different metals?

Frame strength rules apply to steel, aluminium, carbon fibre, toothpaste, whatever you make a frame from... Has the Brompton frame had to be over engineered over the years? It is steel IIRC and is sold with an EU marking.

 

What your chap really meant to say is that steel frames are often made by small companies that can't afford to have the EU testing done. It doesn't stop Dutch or Danish bike makers making steel frames, has the UK been singled out again by that nasty EU?

 

Also aluminium frames are made by machines, not by women with welding equipment...

Doesn't quite add up somehow - if you know that you won't be getting a frame tested, them it can be as light as you like.

 

And no - it's not just EU bureaucrats - it's all of them!

We have a journalist Prime Minister, most MPs have never done anything else in their lives and the bulk of senior civil servants have an arts or humanities background. The fact that they have no interest in or knowledge of anything scientific or technical doesn't stop them ruling on such matters - and very often getting it wrong.

I wish more MPs had a better understanding of higher level science and engineering principles to help them make important strategic decisions but I don't expect them to be properly qualified in being able to evaluate frame strength rules. They rely on expert bodies to do so.

The use of Aluminium in modern eBikes has much to do with the fact it can easily be extruded and moulded. Our battery tube, wheel rims and mudguards have complicated sections designed in for strength, stiffness and to manage cables. The more complicated areas on our bikes i.e. the head tube and BB are moulded. Aluminium performs exceptionally well in both areas and can be welded together to create a strong, stiff and complex construction.

 

All the best, David

Can you tell me the approximate weight of the hub step through bike & is the battery removable? I will want to put it on the rear rack of a vw camper and lifting them is starting to become more difficult. Also will the smaller frame fit someone who is 5' 3"?

Was the centre drive version of this the bike the one that was touted a year or so ago as possibly having the option of having a hub gear? IIRC the new version of the Sturmey 5, which is advertised as being suitable for e-bikes, was mentioned. If so, why was the idea dropped in favour of derailleurs?

The use of Aluminium in modern eBikes has much to do with the fact it can easily be extruded and moulded. Our battery tube, wheel rims and mudguards have complicated sections designed in for strength, stiffness and to manage cables. The more complicated areas on our bikes i.e. the head tube and BB are moulded. Aluminium performs exceptionally well in both areas and can be welded together to create a strong, stiff and complex construction.

 

All the best, David

get a bigger one of these

 

I love the idea of hybrid with mtb tyres and a huge battery. The mudguards do look a little short so maybe a mudflap to stop your feet getting soaked when you turn corners when out in the wet/rain etc. 700 wh battery sounds awesome! Could I get another to extend range, not sure if I'd need it but how much would it cost, what would the dimensions be and what is the weight? Lots of questions sorry but just weighing up options, cheers, Phil.

Hi david,I have asked couple of times but when will pricing be ready? I noticed your taking early orders but would be helpful to know how much models are. These look exceptional bikes bt i can only dream

alex

David will you be offering hub gears ?