Hi guys, great forum!

 

I'm looking for a cheap e-bike option to get back into cycling. The plan is to do little day trips around London with my gf who just got a VanMoof. It won't be for commuting but it would be nice if I could swap some journeys. For reference I'm 5'7 and 140lbs. I would guess the range would need to be between 20-30miles.

 

Unfortunately I can't really justify spending big money at this point in time so I've narrowed it down to a few options. The goal is to end up with something fun that I can grow with.

 

1 - Used Carrera, Lombard, Chinese fat bike - These can be had for £600ish but the obvious worry is that they will have no warranty and if anything goes wrong parts could be hard to get hold of.

 

2 - New Amazon/Chinese bike - Brand new, 1yr warranty, good reviews but what happens if something goes wrong in a years time? scrap heap?

 

3 - DIY my own bike - If I don't go super high end in theory I could build something pretty cool. I have to admit I'm drawn to the UDX look, retro BMX cruisers etc

 

 

Any advice?

problem is with these cheap bikes is that they use rubbish cells as why there are that cheap in the first place and wont last long.

 

so for a decent batt with decent cells is going to cost most of that 600 quid on its own.

 

https://ebikebatteries.co.uk/

 

they custom make packs for ebikes so can make it any shape and size you want and offer warranty.

problem is with these cheap bikes is that they use rubbish cells as why there are that cheap in the first place and wont last long.

 

so for a decent batt with decent cells is going to cost most of that 600 quid on its own.

 

https://ebikebatteries.co.uk/

 

they custom make packs for ebikes so can make it any shape and size you want and offer warranty.

 

Yeah unfortunately there's gonna have to be some compromises!

 

I think the battery being a consumable will have to take the hit if I DIY. Hopefully a 12AH will do initially. What do you think? waste of time?

In your situation the cheapest e-bike I'd consider is a Fiido D4S at about £680 delivered, bought direct, delivered from UK warehouse.

 

Brand new, full warranty, support from a handful of London dealers, 10.4Ah battery with decent (but not premium) cells. They last well if not abused.

 

Foldable for home/work storage and carriage on public transport/commuting.

 

It's not perfect, but IMHO good value and as it's been around for a few years now, quite well proven. The few known issues with it are minor and entirely avoidable with maintenance (rear/motor spokes loosening if handled roughly). All spares available direct from Fiido's website; IMHO it'll be supported for a long while yet.

 

At your weight, it'll fly along, and can be speed unlocked to 20mph+ easily - if that's a risk you want to take as many do.

Edited May 28, 20223 yr by cyclebuddy

but it wont be 12ah as they lie about the capacity then you get voltage sag and bike cuts off.

 

the batt will end up in the bin but i have 2 bosch batts and there 6 and 8 years old and still working but down on range as expected.

 

you get what you pay for at the end of the day and as the batt makes the bike go you dont want to skimp on the batt as a well built good one will last for years.

but it wont be 12ah as they lie about the capacity then you get voltage sag and bike cuts off.

 

the batt will end up in the bin but i have 2 bosch batts and there 6 and 8 years old and still working but down on range as expected.

 

you get what you pay for at the end of the day and as the batt makes the bike go you dont want to skimp on the batt as a well built good one will last for years.

You're making assumptions, and I'm working with reality. Fiido cells are IMHO pretty respectable given the low cost of the bikes they're selling. My own Fiido D11 claims a 417Wh battery, and guess what? It was and still is, albeit only in its second year of use.

 

Loads of long-term Fiido owners on the Facebook users group: Generally, the trashed batteries are those that are abused/neglected, and that happens irrespective of the cells used. Take an overweight rider on an unlocked bike and ride it like a moped on throttle only... or leave it uncharged for months.

 

The OP has clearly stated he doesn't have the budget for a 4k Haibike running a £700 Bosch battery like you SW!

i never said get a 4k haibike but a decent batt will last for years and then build the bike around that as if it all falls apart you still have the batt which will be the most expensive part anyway and hub motors and controllers are cheap to replace.

 

but it all depends on usage and how far and fast you want to go.

 

https://www.fogstar.co.uk/collections/18650-batteries/products/sony-vtc5a-2600mah-25a-1

A Woosh kit and a used donor bike wouldn't be much above £600.

as long you have warranty just incase anything goes wrong then a woosh kit should be fine.

 

just dont try to mount the batt on the handle bars

In your situation the cheapest e-bike I'd consider is a Fiido D4S at about £680 delivered, bought direct, delivered from UK warehouse.

 

Brand new, full warranty, support from a handful of London dealers, 10.4Ah battery with decent (but not premium) cells. They last well if not abused.

 

Foldable for home/work storage and carriage on public transport/commuting.

 

It's not perfect, but IMHO good value and as it's been around for a few years now, quite well proven. The few known issues with it are minor and entirely avoidable with maintenance (rear/motor spokes loosening if handled roughly). All spares available direct from Fiido's website; IMHO it'll be supported for a long while yet.

 

At your weight, it'll fly along, and can be speed unlocked to 20mph+ easily - if that's a risk you want to take as many do.

 

Thanks!

 

I like the idea of the D4S as it'll always be useful even if I buy something more expensive down the line..

https://www.e-bikeshop.co.uk/products/electric-bike-haibike-xduro-nduro-10-0-flyon-2021?variant=42482864226542

 

A Woosh kit and a used donor bike wouldn't be much above £600.

 

That was my thought, used bikes are very cheap and have the added benefit of working well without power too

the batt will end up in the bin but i have 2 bosch batts and there 6 and 8 years old and still working but down on range as expected.

 

I would have thought batteries, like computers, would be best on a shorter upgrade cycle since they improve and get cheaper each year. Is it different for bikes? I guess they haven’t had quite the same investment as cars

That was my thought, used bikes are very cheap and have the added benefit of working well without power too

 

There's an unpowered motor resistance factor to consider, which feels significant enough for me to move down a couple of gears on my bbs01b mid-drive conversion. Of course, some of that is due to the weight of the kit with battery.

Edited May 29, 20223 yr by guerney

I would definitely go down the new ebike kit and s/hand bike route. You'll be getting a fresh battery and motor but be able to get a decent bike secondhand to use with it. The Yose kits can be good. I think somewhere around £350-400 they do kits with batteries and these can be purchased directly from yose or sometimes they have listings on ebay. The important thing is they have some stock they ship from the UK.

 

Based on your weight and budget I would go with a rear wheel hub drive kit.

 

Which bike to aim for is another matter. Obviously you will be limited by what is available locally to you on ebay, facebook marketplace etc. However the good thing about buying a kit is later on you can always move the kit to another bike if you decide to change bikes and of course being a kit makes spares availability and upgrade options easy.

 

I would definitely look at if there are suitable kits for any bike you are considering and think about how suitable a bike is for an ebike kit.

 

I personally think the best bike option is something overbuilt preferably with a chromoly steel frame. Maybe a fully rigid mountain bike with 26" wheels. I think steel makes life easier and safer when it comes to fitting ebike kits. I also think mountain bikes typically have better brakes. Many kits come with brake levers which are suitable for V and mechanical disc brakes. I'd probably aim to use those as is rather than buy additional sensors etc needed for hydraulic disc brakes or road style brake levers.

 

Looking locally to me this is the sort of thing I would be considering and would leave plenty of cash for upgrades, saddle, V brake mechanisms etc. Parts of the bike I wouldn't need like the cantilever brakes or rear wheel so would sell on those after cleaning them up at a fixed price on ebay. Might get £8 plus postage for a full cantilever set and £17 plus postage for the rear wheel if its freehub based.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144561744323

 

 

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144561744323

 

 

That bike looks like a total money pit to me. Plus you would need time, workspace, tools, skills and money for parts. I mean, it would be fun doing it but I have no idea if OP has all that.

 

£600 is nearly an impossible budget but you could get a Woosh kit for £540 and one of these very simple, brand new, steel, Indi 'mountain' bike for £140 from Halfords for a total of £680.

 

 

But you are still going to need a few tools and know how to work on bikes.

 

I have to admit I'm drawn to the UDX look, retro BMX cruisers etc

 

I'm with you, I love the Fairdale range of bikes, like oversize BMX. I would love to convert one to electric. Better get your credit card out!

 

I would definitely go down the new ebike kit and s/hand bike route. You'll be getting a fresh battery and motor but be able to get a decent bike secondhand to use with it. The Yose kits can be good. I think somewhere around £350-400 they do kits with batteries and these can be purchased directly from yose or sometimes they have listings on ebay. The important thing is they have some stock they ship from the UK.

 

Based on your weight and budget I would go with a rear wheel hub drive kit.

 

 

Thanks I think I'm leaning this way too. Mountain bikes are under £100 all day so in theory that shouldn't be a problem!

 

Fortunately there is a Fiido stockist fairly local so I can probably check some out soon.

I'm with you, I love the Fairdale range of bikes, like oversize BMX. I would love to convert one to electric. Better get your credit card out!

 

 

These are beautiful!

 

So many cool options. I like the idea of these too.

 

These are beautiful!

 

So many cool options. I like the idea of these too.

 

Well, to be honest not so keen on those. There is a guy in my town rides around on one of those, not very cool. He rides it on the roads and doing 15 - 20 mph in traffic is no fun. He would have been better off buying a 50cc scooter. Also, he rides it on the roads with no helmet, he is just begging to be pulled over by plod.

That bike looks like a total money pit to me. Plus you would need time, workspace, tools, skills and money for parts. I mean, it would be fun doing it but I have no idea if OP has all that.

 

£600 is nearly an impossible budget but you could get a Woosh kit for £540 and one of these very simple, brand new, steel, Indi 'mountain' bike for £140 from Halfords for a total of £680.

 

 

But you are still going to need a few tools and know how to work on bikes.

 

That Marin should have some decent parts but no denying that some might need replacing but a general £20-30 bicycle tool kit should suffice if you don't have one already. This sort of thing but it would equally be needed for your Indi bike which will have lower spec components too and could be more problematic. Anyway this sort of thing. Also that Marin was just an example close to me it will be different bikes close to Max1980. Looks a simple bike to me to sort out although might need a bit of brute force in a few places.

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sutekus-Bicycle-Tool-Maintenance-Beginners/dp/B0787V2Y5K

That Marin should have some decent parts but no denying that some might need replacing but a general £20-30 bicycle tool kit should suffice if you don't have one already. This sort of thing but it would equally be needed for your Indi bike which will have lower spec components too and could be more problematic. Anyway this sort of thing.

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sutekus-Bicycle-Tool-Maintenance-Beginners/dp/B0787V2Y5K

 

That looks a useful tool kit, apart from that chain tool - in my experience, that cheap type has been single-use only. Utterly useless after one use. This Top Peak is much more durable:

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Topeak-Super-Chain-Tool-Silver/dp/B000FIE4EK/ref=

 

Decent quality bike tools always cost rather a lot more, than one originally budgets for.

That looks a useful tool kit, apart from that chain tool - in my experience, that cheap type has been single-use only. Utterly useless after one use. This Top Peak is much more durable:

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Topeak-Super-Chain-Tool-Silver/dp/B000FIE4EK/ref=

 

Decent quality bike tools always cost rather a lot more, than one originally budgets for.

 

I've broken one or two chain tools myself in my time but they were mainly the little chain tools on multi-tools. I normally break the pin on single speed chains or perhaps 7 speed chains. I never seem to have problems with high speed chains like 10 speed as I guess they have thinner plates and typically less strong. I have two tool kits like the above I linked to one looks near identical that is perhaps 10 years old and maybe 5 years ago Halfords had an offer on their set for £10 so I bought one of those as well. All tools are still fine in both kits except I may have snapped some plastic tyre levers in one of them.

Well, to be honest not so keen on those. There is a guy in my town rides around on one of those, not very cool. He rides it on the roads and doing 15 - 20 mph in traffic is no fun. He would have been better off buying a 50cc scooter. Also, he rides it on the roads with no helmet, he is just begging to be pulled over by plod.

 

Yeah its definitely a grey area. You'd have the same speed issue with any (legal) e-bike though right? I think they can be unrestricted but yeah I understand the hesitation given it basically looks like a motorbike.

 

I think they are really for people that always wanted the good parts of motorbike ownership - freedom, speed, looks - without having to insure, store outside, get a license etc.

Yeah its definitely a grey area. You'd have the same speed issue with any (legal) e-bike though right? I think they can be unrestricted but yeah I understand the hesitation given it basically looks like a motorbike.

 

I think they are really for people that always wanted the good parts of motorbike ownership - freedom, speed, looks - without having to insure, store outside, get a license etc.

 

Yes the same speed issues apply to all e-bikes.

 

That guy had better hope his bike is restricted to 15 mph because it looks very much like an electric moped and he rides on the roads with no helmet, it is bound to attract the curiosity of the police.

 

Also, I find riding on busy roads no fun, it quickly makes you realise just how slow e-bikes actually are. I ride on cycle paths (loads in my town), country parks, canal towpaths etc. well away from any plod. My bike will do about 18mph but I like to bimble along at 10-15 mph.

 

If I lived in London, considering the number of police there, I would definitely make sure any e-bike I owned was super legal. It would be nice to bimble around tourist spots on a Sunday morning when there is little traffic (I assume).

 

Getting back to your original question, £600 is a very tight budget, if you could stretch it a bit, Yose Power do a complete mountain e-bike (with warranty) with a 13Ah battery for 849 euros or £722

 

 

https://yosepower.com/collections/e-bike/products/27-5-mountain-ebike-250w-mtb-electric-bicycle-elektrofahrrad-with-36v-13ah-battery

 

Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide to do.