October 4, 20232 yr It's going to be interesting to see how quickly he changes to a hub-motor motor, when his present one fails or when his drive train fails and he gets stranded, or when his gear cable snaps and he has to try to ride home in top gear. Possibly not since Saracen declares he is proud of his autism. The third most common characteristic of autism is the presence of restrictive and repetitive behaviours. In turn often leading to being unwilling to change behaviours and annoyance with any change imposed. .
October 4, 20232 yr What amazes me "what amazes me" is a member since 24th august 2023 and is now an "expert" on E bikes.
October 4, 20232 yr Obviously you have never retro fitted a hub kit to a bike yet alone used one for many K's of riding. LOL I do laugh at people's assumptions, never assume you are always wrong ROFL
October 4, 20232 yr That sounds like a disadvantage of crank motors. Why would you want all the problems of drive wear and having to be in the right gear all the time, when you can avoid that with a hub-motor. I thought the idea of adding a motor to your bike was to make life easier, not the same or worse. Then you have never ridden one, Ill take you OFF road you ride a hub Ill ride mid drive
October 4, 20232 yr the difference between a hub kit and a crank motor kit is only about £100. The cost difference is down to the gearbox. The gearbox for a crank drive has to handle more torque compared to the gearbox inside the hub motor, is more complicated, heavier and more expensive. POST the prices and site, post here the comparison now. Show like for like
October 4, 20232 yr A difference riders can’t see, but will experience on a long ride – especially on hills – is that a bike with a mid-drive motor works synergistically with the bike’s gears for higher efficiency, which translates into longer riding range per charge. Like a car’s engine, electric motors like to spin fast not slow. Just google "which is best hub drive or centre" the majority can not be wrong, you can't argue with FACT.
October 4, 20232 yr Any who state otherwise have no realistic knowledge of the drives........................ The single largest advantage that mid-motors have over hub motors is their gear ratio. They allow the rider to power the rear wheel via the same chain and gear set as the pedals, which means that a low gear can be selected for powering up steep hills or accelerating from a stop with massive torque. A mid-drive motor in low gear can climb steeper hills than a hub motor of similar power, and can climb hills for longer than a hub motor, which could overheat on long steep hill climbs. https://electrek.co/2018/06/07/electric-bicycle-hub-motors-vs-mid-drive/
October 4, 20232 yr The Dealer Perspective "Customers who come in asking for mid-drives are usually experienced bicyclists who want an e-mountain bike or performance commuter," said Alex Dunn, general manager of Seattle E-Bike. "If they are asking about good warranties, light weight, serviceability, then we convince them to go for a mid-drive." "When people ask, 'What's the cheapest thing you offer?' We point them to the hub motors," Dunn said. https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2022/08/24/e-bike-motor-trends-mid-drives-vs-hub-drives
October 4, 20232 yr Then you have never ridden one, Ill take you OFF road you ride a hub Ill ride mid drive Why don't you go back and read the OP's original post? He was asking for advice about an affordable bike for a 20 mile daily commute, not for an off-road mudfest. Horses for courses. Your two bikes look wholely inappropriate for commuting.
October 4, 20232 yr POST the prices and site, post here the comparison now. Show like for like I can do that. Take for example a TSDZ02B bottom bracket torque sensor crank drive with 48V 15AH bag battery and throttle: £705. A 48V hub DWG22C with 48V 12.5AH HL downtube battery and throttle: £635. £705: https://wooshbikes.co.uk/cart/#/product/uid-270-tsdz2t-15ahdp/tsdz2t-cd-kit-48v-15ah-with-throttle £635: https://wooshbikes.co.uk/cart/#/product/uid-241-dwg22c-48v12ah/shengyi-dwg22c-48v-250w-rear-hub-kit-with-48v-12ah-battery
October 4, 20232 yr A difference riders can’t see, but will experience on a long ride – especially on hills – is that a bike with a mid-drive motor works synergistically with the bike’s gears for higher efficiency, which translates into longer riding range per charge. Like a car’s engine, electric motors like to spin fast not slow. The above copied and pasted from this Bosch web site. They would say that wouldn't they, Bosch only make mid drive units! Just google "which is best hub drive or centre" the majority can not be wrong, you can't argue with FACT. The majority are invariably wrong. That's why only the minority are wealthy. That's why only the minority are successful. That's why only one wins a race. These are FACTS. .
October 4, 20232 yr A difference riders can’t see, but will experience on a long ride – especially on hills – is that a bike with a mid-drive motor works synergistically with the bike’s gears for higher efficiency, which translates into longer riding range per charge. Like a car’s engine, electric motors like to spin fast not slow. I see why you are saying that now. What you are saying is correct when you are talking about hub motors with direct drive. Good hub motors for bike conversions are geared internally. I have a cargo bike with a rear hub. 160KG for me, bike and usual luggage. I can get up any hill where I live in Derbyshire on it, albeit with pedaling in the granny gears. And this is one of the hills:
October 5, 20232 yr The majority are invariably wrong. That's why only the minority are wealthy. Minority is wealthy mainly because they inherit money and there are rules in place to keep this status quo.
October 5, 20232 yr Minority is wealthy mainly because they inherit money and there are rules in place to keep this status quo. You're missing the point that the majority vote them and their ilk to rule and make the rules, thus once again proving the majority are always wrong. .
October 5, 20232 yr You're missing the point that the majority vote them and their ilk to rule and make the rules, thus once again proving the majority are always wrong. . Nope... I didn't miss that point at all. It makes me depressed for a really long time now. What would be a solution in democratic society? All with IQ below 120 are not allowed to vote?
October 5, 20232 yr What would be a solution in democratic society? All with IQ below 120 are not allowed to vote? Sadly that wouldn't work either, as you'd know if you'd ever been a member of Mensa, the High IQ society. I did qualify and join long ago, meeting some of the worst idiots I've ever had the misfortune to meet. Because I'd already known I'd resign once accepted, since being a member of a society which, of necessity had no aims**, made no sense, I left. ** Societies and clubs exist to promote their nominal subject, whether that be cycling, golf or whatever. But Mensa cannot promote wider possession of a high IQ since we largely only have what we are born with, making Mensa's existence pointless. Saddest of all is that the membership of people possessing IQs over 150 seem unable to realise that simple fact. .
October 5, 20232 yr Sadly people tend to corrupt each political system. It is only matter of time. It makes me sad and disillusioned. I never tried to join Mensa. Idea of clubs is quite alien to me, so I am only guessing the main purpose of Mensa club is to make members feel better. At least they are not trying to take over the world... which is an achievement in itself. I guess "Imagine" by J.Lennon would be my political statement. I am not sure if there is any political party which would agree with it.
October 5, 20232 yr I am only guessing the main purpose of Mensa club is to make members feel better. That's roughly correct, except too many members just wanting to feel superior and constantly trying to demonstrate it to each other. Sadly people tend to corrupt each political system. It is only matter of time. It makes me sad and disillusioned. True, but it doesn't depress me since it's good that it has self destruction built in. Far from being the superior species that we think we are, we are actually about the dumbest due to our evolutionary advancement. Other species are largely satisfied with reproducing and getting enough to eat to live another day, each day as it comes. The most socially advanced like the Hymenoptera (Ants, Bees, Wasps) are all, from queens to workers, just slaves in a perfectly working system with no dissent and 100% satisfaction, not something any human would want. With our advanced brains we want more; much, much more, leading inevitably to permanent dissatisfaction when the more always falls short of expectation. So that is our choice to aim for, social perfection in robotic slavery, 1984 Big Brother style; or the freedom and hope of dissatisfaction. I think we've got the best one of those already. .
October 5, 20232 yr He was asking for advice about an affordable bike for a 20 mile daily commute, not for an off-road mudfest. Horses for courses. Your two bikes look wholely inappropriate for commuting. Indeed, a bike for a daily commute ! There are a lot of things to consider when choosing a motor type. Just because a particular motor type might have an advantage in a particular area, efficiency say, it does not mean that particular motor type is the only possible choice for a particular application. And neither does it mean that those many many users who, considering all the factors, then choose a different motor type are wrong. For a commuting bike, for me at least, speed and ease of repairs is very important. I have a front hub motor eBike, its absolutly fine for commuting. I have a spare motor wheel if I get a problem with the motor, I can replace the wheel in a couple of minutes.
October 5, 20232 yr Indeed, a bike for a daily commute ! There are a lot of things to consider when choosing a motor type. Just because a particular motor type might have an advantage in a particular area, efficiency say, it does not mean that particular motor type is the only possible choice for a particular application. And neither does it mean that those many many users who, considering all the factors, then choose a different motor type are wrong. For a commuting bike, for me at least, speed and ease of repairs is very important. I have a front hub motor eBike, its absolutly fine for commuting. I have a spare motor wheel if I get a problem with the motor, I can replace the wheel in a couple of minutes. Front hub works. A rear one will always be better if you have the choice. It's safer, has better traction, is quieter, doesn't affect the steering and doesn't affect the front suspension. You don't need to file the forks to get it in and you don't need a torque arm for a 250w motor. Not so important, but still a consideration: You don't have to figure out how to get the motor cable fixed so that it can move with the steering and not get pinched. Eventually, the motor cable will fail due to metal fatigue and probably take the controller with it.
October 5, 20232 yr https://www.electricscooterslondon.com/collections/eleglide-electric-bikes/products/eleglide-citycrosser-electric-bike Wow, a lot bike for £600, my current battery cost £500....very tempted too to just buy one and take a punt for local rides and keep the 1500W beast rear hub for longer trips. The battery pack is a turn off though, I imagine when it dies you could just fit a hailong.
October 5, 20232 yr The battery pack is a turn off though, I imagine when it dies you could just fit a hailong. They sell bikes with bigger and easy to replace batteries https://eleglide.com/collections/electric-bike
October 5, 20232 yr The M2 seems good value https://ekwonline.com/products/eleglide-m2-latest-model-electric-bike And as [mention=15833]cyclebuddy[/mention] says they have a good range of spares / batteries on their website Edited October 5, 20232 yr by Peter.Bridge
October 5, 20232 yr Other species are largely satisfied with reproducing and getting enough to eat to live another day, each day as it comes. . That philosophy pretty much describes how I've lived my life up to yet, also gratitude that I'm physically able to get out of bed in the morning. Anyway, back to these £600 e-bikes. I paid £500 just for a battery. https://custombuilt-ebikes.co.uk/product/48v-rear-rack-ebike-battery-20ah/
October 5, 20232 yr What amazes me is the assumption that £600 is a lot, think about it.... Hi Mate, have you changed your forum user name from 'pinhead'? Also, depending upon your perspective, £600 could be considered a large or even unobtainable amount of cash.
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