Just to let you now, what you are trying to build would be an illegal moped. At least at this moment.

 

Also out of my own experience I can tell you, using only throttle is very uncomfortable in long run. I find PAS far more comfortable and natural.

Just to let you now, what you are trying to build would be an illegal moped. At least at this moment.

 

Also out of my own experience I can tell you, using only throttle is very uncomfortable in long run. I find PAS far more comfortable and natural.

 

Ok, so I guess the addition of peddle assist would make it legal? I think if that's the case I should buy a full kit and add the peddle assist. But again I'm not sure if I'm right im my thinking.

I think you should understand the advantages and disadvantages of front wheel versus rear wheel drive before making your decision.

Ok, so I guess the addition of peddle assist would make it legal? I think if that's the case I should buy a full kit and add the peddle assist. But again I'm not sure if I'm right im my thinking.

First time, buy a kit including everything except perhaps the battery. Someone else has checked the bits all work together, so you don't need to worry about that.

 

First time, stay legal, then you'll know what a legal bike can do. It's 4 miles and flat! Don't overthink it!

I think whole kit is the safest option especially for somebody who is new to this subject.

 

Throttle is a very confusing subject. There are many mixed messages from different sources. Long story short - you might assume twist and go throttles are illegal.

 

You must pedal for EAPC to provide assistance.

Edited March 10, 20242 yr by Az.

Thanks guys, I really do appreciate the advice ;-)

 

I'm going to buy the following:

 

Front wheel kit with no battery.

 

48v Battery

 

Fingers crossed i'll be ok. They are both UK sellers so it should be fine.

 

:-)

 

I'll try and up date this post with a picture of the kit when it's fitted along with a little report.

Just to let you now this kit is illegal. They write "PLEASE NOTE THIS KIT IS FOR OFF-ROAD USE ONLY"

 

... which is also untrue. This kit is illegal on road and off-road. I would stay away from Kirby if I were you.

I give up.

I give up.

 

Why?

Heheheheh I've been looking at this for weeks before posting here and I still don't know what to buy hehe. If the kit I planned to buy is illegal then so are the ones from Whoosh which will cost me £599. Every kit on Ebay is surely illegal too as they all look the same and have the same components.

 

Maybe I should bite the bullet and just use my old tired legs to get to work and take a pack of wet wipes to freshen up when I get there hehe

 

I wouldn't mind so much but I have a KTM 690 Duke in my garage along with around 10 old school mountain bikes (I'm a Retrobike guy). My car was written off four months ago and I've been quite happy using the push bike again for my commute so I thought i'd go electric and save the planet when I start my new job which is further from home.

 

All I want for Christmas is.... a UK legal front wheen 250w electric kit heheheh

Can I make it easier for you? Just to simplify things assume all kits (EDIT: almost all) sold by Kirby are illegal. Assume all its sold by Woosh are legal. Some of its sold by Yose are legal, some are illegal.

 

You can get legal it from Yose for £360 that would perfectly meet your needs. It is not bad, isn't it?

Edited March 11, 20242 yr by Az.

Can I make it easier for you? Just to simplify things assume all kits sold by Kirby are illegal. Assume all its sold by Woosh are legal. Some of its sold by Yose are legal, some are illegal.

 

You can get legal it from Yose for £360 that would perfectly meet your needs. It is not bad, isn't it?

 

Ok, all noted.

 

I just checked the component list, comparing Kirby to Woosh. They look identical. Can I just quickly ask, what am I missing?

You can get legal it from Yose for £360 that would perfectly meet your needs. It is not bad, isn't it?

 

Can you post a link to the kit you are looking at please Az ?

Ok, all noted.

 

I just checked the component list, comparing Kirby to Woosh. They look identical. Can I just quickly ask, what am I missing?

 

Quick look - speed is not limited to 25m/h.

Andy Kirby is a Youtuber, who teamed up with Chinese guy and started to sell kits. If you like to do research, check Youtube.

 

 

Check how this guy is riding his moped. Legality is not high on his priority list.

 

Good thing is, he is probably just a front house and strings are pulled by Chinese guy. They miss sell their products though and lie to customers. It is funny how it works in UK. It is legal to sell bike like that, it is legal for you to buy, but it is illegal for you to use. Buyers beware.

 

I didn't look at any specific Yose kit. £360 is a general price tag for their its. What is your wheel size? 26"?

Yes 26" 1988 Specialized Rockhopper but I will be fitting an updated front fork with disk brake.

Yes 26" 1988 Specialized Rockhopper but I will be fitting an updated front fork with disk brake.

 

https://www.yosepower.co.uk/products/e-bike-conversion-kit-36v250w-front-motor-36v15-6ah-hl-plus-battery

 

£365 - not bad

 

This should be OK for you. I have 28" kit like this. Just make sure dropout size is right for your fork.

Eventually Email Woosh. Andy will make sure you get right kit for your bike.

 

If you consider riding off-road at some point, rear hub would be a better option.

Are you going to mount the motor on a telescopic fork? And if so what kind of dropout does it have?

I give up.

 

The Kirby 250w kit is legal , one may have to think about the throttle option if it doesn't have a pedal first option but otherewise the kit is 250w and adheres to EPAC law.

The kit uses a KT controller so any speed nonsense spoken of is all governed by the setting in the LCD, even my KT controllers can be set to more the 15.5mph.

The controller is max 15a so pretty std KT stuff.

 

We are talking of the KIrby 250w kit and not their more powerful kits which are illegal wattage wise.

Fwiw i bought and fitted a kit from yose-power last summer, the install was straight forward with just a niggle issue with my el-cheapo donor bike having a crank a tad too wide for the standard pas sensor shipped requiring a £10 replacement sensor .

 

I was initially disappointed with the 4mph limit on the throttle and 15.5 mph speed limit set and ordered a replacement KT controller to 'fix' these issues.. However by the time the controller arrived i had gotten used to the e-bike and the 'upgrade' now seems pointless.. so the controller went into ebike #2

 

I can recommend the yose-power kits and folk in here endorse woosh kits, so you have 2 to choose from.

Just to let you now this kit is illegal. They write "PLEASE NOTE THIS KIT IS FOR OFF-ROAD USE ONLY"

 

... which is also untrue. This kit is illegal on road and off-road. I would stay away from Kirby if I were you.

Are you looking at the right kit? The one in the link is perfectly legal with the speed set to 15.5mph and the throttle set to be dependent on pedalling.

Yes 26" 1988 Specialized Rockhopper but I will be fitting an updated front fork with disk brake.

A rear motor would be a lot better on a bike like that. In reply to an earlier post, the pedal assist function is extremely useful on an ebike. Just using a throttle sucks. It's not like a motorbike. Make sure that you fit the pedal sensor to get a relaxing ride. You will only understand why afterwards.

Are you looking at the right kit? The one in the link is perfectly legal with the speed set to 15.5mph and the throttle set to be dependent on pedalling.

 

All kits sold by Kirby have cut out speeds above legal 25km/h limit and as such they are sold as illegal. It should not be up to customers to dive deep into legal requirements and learn how to change settings. It is up to seller to ensure customers receive product which they can just install and use without fear of being prosecuted.

A rear motor would be a lot better on a bike like that. In reply to an earlier post, the pedal assist function is extremely useful on an ebike. Just using a throttle sucks. It's not like a motorbike. Make sure that you fit the pedal sensor to get a relaxing ride. You will only understand why afterwards.

 

 

I am looking at the rear kits as well. I favoured the front kits as they are easier to fit and aren't reliant on anything specific other than a 100mm fork spacing. My old Rockhopper is a 6 speed cassette, not sure if that would fit the rear kits on the market, i'll have to check.

All kits sold by Kirby have cut out speeds above legal 25km/h limit and as such they are sold as illegal. It should not be up to customers to dive deep into legal requirements and learn how to change settings. It is up to seller to ensure customers receive product which they can just install and use without fear of being prosecuted.

It's a kit, not an ebike. Do you know for a fact that ALL their kits are sent out without the speed set to 15.5mph?

Do you know for a fact that ALL their kits are sent out without the speed set to 15.5mph?

 

OK... aren't you bored being right all the time?

Found Swytch clone kit which looks legit and potentially TSDZ2B 250W... not sure why they advertise it for off-road only and with 40km/h speed.