Maybe don't wear your cycle helmet when you're on foot.

 

That's [mention=11305]soundwave[/mention] - he only removes his for the dentist.

 

 

It sort of gives the game away - that and your padded underpants.

 

Lesson learned: Gigantic padding in the crotch area is magnetic to female drivers.

Near me is a Tesco with a crossing across on a 30mph residential road (at the roundabout it has two lanes for right or Left turning), the crossing is at around about that T 's on to busy rat run 40mph road .

I hold the road by being in the center so I 'm not cut up going on to said round about when it is clear.

Often I will always stop and let shoppers /pedestrians cross the 30mph road at the roundabout, it is surprising how many drivers in the other lane are blinkered and won't stop to allow the pedestrians to walk across. They

often have to pause in front of me to so they aren't mown down.

 

The vid specs will be coming in handy more often then I think both as a rider and pedestrian to report bad driving.

That's [mention=11305]soundwave[/mention] - he only removes his for the dentist.

 

 

 

 

Lesson learned: Gigantic padding in the crotch area is magnetic to female drivers.

 

 

https://kottke.org/23/10/why-henry-viiis-codpiece-is-somonumental

I gave you the link above, but I will copy/paste relevant fragment for your convenience.

 

The updated code clarifies that:

 

• when people are crossing or waiting to cross at a junction, other traffic should give way
  
• if people have started crossing and traffic wants to turn into the road <me: at a junction> , the people crossing have priority and the traffic should give way
  
• people driving, riding a motorcycle or cycling must give way to people on a zebra crossing and people walking and cycling on a parallel crossing
  

 

Of course nobody ever will advice you to cross the road with eyes closed, but you still can do that and die under truck knowing it was drivers fault.

 

Hi, not being argumentative but i did ask about people stepping off a pavement "not at a junction".

The new rules are clear but I still don't see any Highway code changes saying that's ok.

 

From a legal point of view I think the motorist will be found at fault - either fully or to some degree - if they hit anyone stepping into the road without looking where there's no crossing or junction. Personally I believe the Green Cross code is reasonable - it is should be a pedestrians responsibility to make sure it's safe before stepping onto a road where they might get hit by a passing car.

Hi, not being argumentative but i did ask about people stepping off a pavement "not at a junction".

The new rules are clear but I still don't see any Highway code changes saying that's ok.

 

From a legal point of view I think the motorist will be found at fault - either fully or to some degree - if they hit anyone stepping into the road without looking where there's no crossing or junction. Personally I believe the Green Cross code is reasonable - it is should be a pedestrians responsibility to make sure it's safe before stepping onto a road where they might get hit by a passing car.

Whatever we think should be right, doesn’t matter. In the case of the woman that the cyclist hit that I mentioned above, she was crossing against a red pedestrian light, and the cyclist had green. He was found guilty.

 

There was also that case of the fixie rider, where a woman texting on her phone jumped out in front of him. He was found guilty because fixies don't have front brakes. Just like Saracen's, she had passed him, so he steered where she had been, but she suddenly woke up and jumped back into his revised path.

In law the green light is legal if the way is clear , if a motorist hits someone they may be found at fault .

We know of the Dalston case where the guy hit a women /she walked out in front of him . His light was green so he carried on despite having an illegal 1kw kit he was found not guilty or manslaughter.

Edited July 28, 20241 yr by Nealh

Whatever we think should be right, doesn’t matter. In the case of the woman that the cyclist hit that I mentioned above, she was crossing against a red pedestrian light, and the cyclist had green. He was found guilty.

 

There was also that case of the fixie rider, where a woman texting on her phone jumped out in front of him. He was found guilty because fixies don't have front brakes. Just like Saracen's, she had passed him, so he steered where she had been, but she suddenly woke up and jumped back into his revised path.

 

If I am not mistaken, at least one of these riders was riding furiously and shouting in a somewhat abusive manner at a woman illadvisedly crossing the road. He also made unsympathetic remarks afterwards which did him no favours.

 

I think every case of pedestrian / car collisions will be taken by the police, CPS and the courts on its own merits. There will certainly be cases where no reasonable person (jury member or cps lawyer) would say the driver was negligent. It will hinge on whether the driver could reasonably be expected to foresee the event.

 

It is expected that every person driving or riding on the road is exercising proper care and attention in relation to everyone around them, especially more vulnerable people. If a driver was proceeding along the road in a sensible manner and a person without warning deviated from the pavement and jumped into the road immediately in front of them, no sane magistrate would hold them responsible. It is a matter of predictability. The video at the top of this thread shows two young people attempt to cross the road when the cyclist was thirty to forty meters from them. That gave plenty of time for the cyclist to slow down. In fact, they were changing their direction telegraphing their intention to cross before that. He ought to have picked up on that.

 

Had the one on the road, panicked and attempted to get back to the pavement, he would have been struck and the rider would have been very likely to be in a lot of bother.

 

We know of the Dalston case where the guy hit a women /she walked out in front of him . His light was green so he carried on despite having an illegal 1kw kit he was found not guilty or manslaughter.

 

That last bit is interesting since I would have thought riding a bike with an illegally powered motor, that then resulted in death, might qualify as killing someone while carrying out a criminal act - which is more or less what manslaughter means. Perhaps the illegal motor does not reach the level of 'criminal act'. Maybe it is regarded as some sort of minor misdemeanour.

That last bit is interesting since I would have thought riding a bike with an illegally powered motor, that then resulted in death, might qualify as killing someone while carrying out a criminal act - which is more or less what manslaughter means. Perhaps the illegal motor does not reach the level of 'criminal act'. Maybe it is regarded as some sort of minor misdemeanour.

 

His bike did not have an illegally powered motor in law, he was riding a motorcycle in breach of the Two and Three Wheeled Type Approval regulation 168/2013. That contains an exemption from being a motor vehicle providing certain conditions are met, in the case of bicycles the conditions including the 250 Watt limit.

 

Any vehicle failing to meet an exemption standard is automatically a motor vehicle requiring registration etc.

 

So he could have been charged with a number of regulation breaches, no tax, no insurance, no registration and number plate, no motor cycle approved helmet etc., etc. But there was the more serious issue of death to be considered.

 

So no doubt, as in other similar cases, he was charged on the basis of riding a bicycle, the breach of 168/2013 and its implications ignored and only the cycling liability tried on the basis that the woman who suddenly ran into his path gave him no chance of stopping.

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Edited July 27, 20241 yr by flecc

In law the green light is legal if the way is clear , if a motorist hits a someone they may be found at fault .

We know of the Dalston case where the guy hit a women /she walked out in front of him . His light was green so he carried on despite having an illegal 1kw kit he was found not guilty or manslaughter.

The illegal bike was another case. he was just riding quite fast when the womend thre herself out in front of him. He left the scene carrying his bike, but he got off scott free in court, mainly because they charged him with furious cycling instead of no tax and insurance, etc.

If I am not mistaken, at least one of these riders was riding furiously and shouting in a somewhat abusive manner at a woman illadvisedly crossing the road. He also made unsympathetic remarks afterwards which did him no favours.

 

I think every case of pedestrian / car collisions will be taken by the police, CPS and the courts on its own merits. There will certainly be cases where no reasonable person (jury member or cps lawyer) would say the driver was negligent. It will hinge on whether the driver could reasonably be expected to foresee the event.

 

It is expected that every person driving or riding on the road is exercising proper care and attention in relation to everyone around them, especially more vulnerable people. If a driver was proceeding along the road in a sensible manner and a person without warning deviated from the pavement and jumped into the road immediately in front of them, no sane magistrate would hold them responsible. It is a matter of predictability. The video at the top of this thread shows two young people attempt to cross the road when the cyclist was thirty to forty meters from them. That gave plenty of time for the cyclist to slow down. In fact, they were changing their direction telegraphing their intention to cross before that. He ought to have picked up on that.

 

Had the one on the road, panicked and attempted to get back to the pavement, he would have been struck and the rider would have been very likely to be in a lot of bother.

He was charged with furious cycling , though he was only riding at 15 mph. His shouting was just to get her out the way, probably because he didn't have a bell, not that it would have helped in that instance. The problem was that she jumped back the way she came, straight into him. Afterwards, he said something like it was her own fault. It's very easy for the judge sitting in his comfy chair to hold that against him, but when you're shaken up by an accident that just killed someone, you'd hardly be thinking straight. personally, I think the cyclist was very unlucky and the sentence was a bit harsh. Basically, be went to prison for not having a front brake. He would have walked free if he had one.

Here we go:

https://twitter.com/username/status/1817290151296401550

Yeah... that was brilliant

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cgr5j2qzne8o

If you ask your friends, neighbours and family, you will find that hardly any will know about the changes to the highway code that put an obligation on road users to give way to pedestrians not only crossing at junctions, but also waiting to cross.

 

Much the same with majority of drivers.

Much the same with majority of drivers.

I have to say, that is rarely the case where i am. People wait behind me for lobg periods. I often have to wave rhem past. In the city though, it is very different.

I have to say, that is rarely the case where i am. People wait behind me for lobg periods. I often have to wave rhem past. In the city though, it is very different.

What I meant is how man drivers give way/stop for pedestrians at crossings esp drop kerb ones, they don't. One often has to walk out to force them to stop, very few seem to realise the new vulnerable road user law.

I think the change should have had much more publicity. As said above, most drivers (and cyclists) are unaware of the change; making the situation more dangerous than before.

Lesson learned: Gigantic padding in the crotch area is magnetic to female drivers.

 

I can't say I have ever found looking like you've shat your pants to be a good look.

Cycling and Osteoporosis: How to Improve Your Bone Density

 

"The primary reason for cyclists having low bone density is that it is a non-weight bearing activity. High-level cycling in particular has been shown to have negative effects on bone strength because of the amount of time cyclists spend training and riding. You are spending a lot of time seated, with no compression forces on your spine and pelvis. Even though it may feel like you are pedaling hard at times, the forces you are putting into the pedals are not distributed in a way that puts significant strain on your bones, which is needed for bone growth. "

 

https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/why-cycling-is-bad-for-bone-density-and-how-you-can-improve-it/

I have a Pashley 'Dingdong' bell. It is loud and sonorous giving two notes on about a decscending 4th.

Once, when coming up behind a large straggly group of chatting walkers, i rang the bell and they started to part. One woman said, 'ooo what a lovely bell' I said, 'It is isn't it, would you like to hear it again?' and rang it. This received a cheer from the walkers.

I regard it as the worlds friendliest bell and much prefer it to any horn. Though it does seem that some people just don't recognise it as a bike bell. My voice is much louder though and can be employed when needed.

 

After conversations with horse riders it seems they would prefer you to call out to alert them to your prescence. If the horse (with near 360 vision) sees you before the rider is aware a dreadful double startle occurs. First the horse, then the rider in reaction to the horse then more from the horse in reaction to the riders startling. Result - large horse bucking or rearing within the confines of a narrow country lane. Scary stuff.

One rider told me that a horse doesn't recognise a silently moving bike/human combo as being human and, being a prey animal, reacts accordingly. So they now get a, 'Helloooo, bike coming' from me at some distance.

One rider told me that a horse doesn't recognise a silently moving bike/human combo as being human and, being a prey animal, reacts accordingly. So they now get a, 'Helloooo, bike coming' from me at some distance.

 

OK until you meet a foreign bred horse with no knowledge of English.

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I have a Pashley 'Dingdong' bell. It is loud and sonorous giving two notes on about a decscending 4th.

Once, when coming up behind a large straggly group of chatting walkers, i rang the bell and they started to part. One woman said, 'ooo what a lovely bell' I said, 'It is isn't it, would you like to hear it again?' and rang it. This received a cheer from the walkers.

I regard it as the worlds friendliest bell and much prefer it to any horn. Though it does seem that some people just don't recognise it as a bike bell. My voice is much louder though and can be employed when needed.

 

After conversations with horse riders it seems they would prefer you to call out to alert them to your prescence. If the horse (with near 360 vision) sees you before the rider is aware a dreadful double startle occurs. First the horse, then the rider in reaction to the horse then more from the horse in reaction to the riders startling. Result - large horse bucking or rearing within the confines of a narrow country lane. Scary stuff.

One rider told me that a horse doesn't recognise a silently moving bike/human combo as being human and, being a prey animal, reacts accordingly. So they now get a, 'Helloooo, bike coming' from me at some distance.

 

I meet quite a lot of horses on my motorbike rides around here, when I ride on the very small, back roads. I like just pootling along at low speeds enjoying the views. So when I meet a horse rider, I just pull up and stop the engine until they either pass, or the rider has them in full control and takes them into a gateway, or onto a verge. I am in no hurry, so why risk the animal doing something unpredictable?

 

I know that like cyclists, horses have a right to be on roads, but I do question the sanity of riders who take horse on faster roads than, the absolute smallest ones. They are unpredictable, frightened and pretty dangerous creatures, I would say. I really don't like being around them. I once was asked by a farmer I know to hold a 16 hands mare while he was mating her with a 14 hands stallion. He wasn't really tall enough to reach, so I had to hold her next to a hillock of ground so the stallion could be led up onto the hill and could do the job. It was one of the most unpleasant five minutes of my life. The farmer kept shouting from around the back, 'Hold her firm Tony. Put your shoulder into her chest. She is getting away from him!' Never again.... I'm keeping the description civil, and won't go into all the snorting, slavering, eyes goggling and the banging of his hooves on her sides. Those stallions are pretty rough in this business... You REALLY don't want to be at close quarters with this stuff - at least I don't. #mentally-scarred.

I think the change should have had much more publicity. As said above, most drivers (and cyclists) are unaware of the change; making the situation more dangerous than before.

 

It is noticeably different in the city and the countryside. I am frequently close passed in the town and a few weeks ago I was cut up on a roundabout by a driver who forced me to stop as he shot into a mini roundabout in front of me. He absolutely knew I was there because I was wearing my very bright yellow jacket.

 

In the countryside I receive amazing amounts of courtesy and patience from drivers who on a 14 to 16 foot road will just follow me for ages until I feel obliged to pull up and wave them past. They sometimes even ignore my 'pass me' signal, done by waving my arm to indicate that I know they are there and want them to pass. This is a very polite place though.

It is noticeably different in the city and the countryside. I am frequently close passed in the town and a few weeks ago I was cut up on a roundabout by a driver who forced me to stop as he shot into a mini roundabout in front of me. He absolutely knew I was there because I was wearing my very bright yellow jacket.

 

In the countryside I receive amazing amounts of courtesy and patience from drivers who on a 14 to 16 foot road will just follow me for ages until I feel obliged to pull up and wave them past. They sometimes even ignore my 'pass me' signal, done by waving my arm to indicate that I know they are there and want them to pass. This is a very polite place though.

In the daytime:

yellow reflective jacket = invisibility cloak