April 1, 201016 yr *gulp* I'm middle aged http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm244/lunablack_2008/Emoticons/cry5.gif
April 1, 201016 yr depends on what demographics people use these days... my younger sister works in marketing and they now consider those in their early 40s to still be in the youth market, middle age from the late 40s to the 70s, and elderly people 75-80 upwards - the definition of "elderly" usually only starting when people require medical care of some sort due to age-related health issues... this is reflected in a lot of advertising I've seen recently.. given changing lifestyles and the improvement in health and longevity I don't think this is too inaccurate an assesment.. I've seen the marketing view, but 40 is undeniably in the middle of the average lifespan, so still middle aged. Before too long before I'll be middle aged for the second time. .
April 1, 201016 yr I work as an IT manager for a group of companies providing care for the older generation, and thus get a very good insight as to lifespans from the databases - in this area the average lifespan actually seems to be 85-90+ with people reaching 100 not at all uncommon! And much of this seemingly despite drinking, smoking and the use of recreational substances. I expect the same is true for affluent areas such as London and the South East, with perhaps the figure being dragged down by shorter lifespans in poorer regions.
April 1, 201016 yr Average lifespan UK: 79.4 years overall 77.2 years, Male 81.6 years, Female That's 80 years to me, with 40 dead in the middle (age). Those are the figures used by pension actuaries, insurance companies and government, and understating those would prove very expensive for them, so you can be sure they are as high as can be. . Edited April 1, 201016 yr by flecc
April 1, 201016 yr I'm aware of discrepancies of up to 10 years betwen rich and poor areas, and I suppose there's also the effect of RTCs and violence to drop the average figure even in rich areas - for instance in my wider circle of friends just over a dozen have died before their 30s, approximately half through RTC's and the other half through drug overdoses and violence. The roads kill a lot of young people, even those who do not otherwise lead "riskier" lifestyles.. I wonder if regular cyclists (obviously those lucky enough not to be involved in RTCs!) live much longer than their non-cycling counterparts? Edited April 1, 201016 yr by Alex728
April 1, 201016 yr Yes, there are big differences between some areas, but the low expectancy areas are not a big proportion so are small in overall effect. That's why the averages are still used for actuarial purposes. Accidental deaths have hardly any effect on the average life expectancy of overall 60 million population. From what I've seen cyclists do tend to live longer than average, but I guess that will be true for all who exercise regularly at moderate levels. . Edited April 1, 201016 yr by flecc
April 1, 201016 yr I wonder if regular cyclists (obviously those lucky enough not to be involved in RTCs!) live much longer than their non-cycling counterparts? Regular cyclists who can avoid exhaust fumes probably live longer than those who commute on congested roads?
April 2, 201016 yr *gulp* I'm middle aged http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm244/lunablack_2008/Emoticons/cry5.gif Ahhh! but don`t forget Meg " many a good tune played on an old fiddle:D
April 2, 201016 yr Average lifespan UK: 79.4 years overall 77.2 years, Male 81.6 years, Female That's 80 years to me, with 40 dead in the middle (age). Those are the figures used by pension actuaries, insurance companies and government, and understating those would prove very expensive for them, so you can be sure they are as high as can be. .80 is the current life expectancy but that is projected to change with improvements in medicine and primary healh, the baby boomers are likely to exceed it as their affluence will help them live longer. I consider myself middle aged even though I'm not 40 yet, my kids make me feel it.
April 2, 201016 yr Ahhh! but don`t forget Meg " many a good tune played on an old fiddle:D Yeah but the fiddle needs to be in tune.....I'm doomed!
April 2, 201016 yr Yeah but the fiddle needs to be in tune.....I'm doomed! I know. Sometimes I'm A Major, others I'm B Flat.
April 3, 201016 yr BEBA Membership When will BEBA open up to new members? Looks like a closed shop at the moment.
April 3, 201016 yr Author Closed shop BEBA will be welcoming new members next week. We have several companies ready to pay their dues and sign up, everything will be in place on Tuesday to open BEBA to the entire industry as long as companies are prepared to sign up and adhere to the BEBA code of practice. I can't wait to get some more help and input! Best regards David
April 3, 201016 yr BEBA will be welcoming new members next week. We have several companies ready to pay their dues and sign up, everything will be in place on Tuesday to open BEBA to the entire industry as long as companies are prepared to sign up and adhere to the BEBA code of practice. I can't wait to get some more help and input! Best regards David great news David, just as a matter of interest, can you publish the code of practice as it seems to be unavailable at bebas website
April 3, 201016 yr Author Code of Practice Hi Andy I have just sent it off to Mark for a final check though. As soon as we have finalised the wording I will post. It will be on the BEBA site by Tuesday. All the best David
April 3, 201016 yr Author BEBA Code of Practice BEBA Key Members may use the "BEBA Member" logo and will be eligible to be elected onto the BEBA council. The council will control BEBA’s initiatives, direction and goals. Key Members must agree to and be able to demonstrate that they: 1. Only make sales through dealers / retailers or directly to the end user through flagship stores and not exclusively online 2. Manufacture or have the UK exclusive agency to a recognised brand of electric bicycle 3. Have an after sales support program available to all dealers 4. Hold a full spare parts inventory to enable on-going support for product in the market 5. Do not manufacture / distribute electric bikes that the BEBA board determine to be replicas 6. Only market models that meet the current legal requirements 7. Offer full technical training to retail outlets 8. Provide retailers with marketing materials 9. Provide retailers with manuals for all bikes 10. Provide full service literature 11. Offer an effective complaints procedure to the end user BEBA Retail members may use the "BEBA Retailer" logo and will be listed on the BEBA web site as BEBA approved retailers. Retail members should: 1. Stock at least one brand of electric bike from a Key or Associate member of BEBA 2. Be technically capable and have the facilities to maintain any electric bicycle they retail 3. Hold or have immediate access to a full spare parts inventory to enable on-going support for product in the market 4. Commit to having at least one BEBA Key or Associates electric bike in store for demo at all times 5. Not retail electric bikes that the BEBA board determine to be replicas 6. Agree to PDI all electric bikes 7. Be prepared to co operate with BEBA in resolving any customer dispute bought to the attention of the BEBA committee Edited April 4, 201016 yr by Wisper Bikes
April 3, 201016 yr Hey Guys, David and I have put a lot of work into the COP so your feedback will be welcomed. I must admit my poor Mac is in the hospital at the moment so I can't update the website until it comes back. As David said, we are keen to now welcome in new members and this will start next week. Looking forward to hearing from you all and wishing you an 'electric' easter break!!
April 4, 201016 yr BEBA Key Members may use the "BEBA Member" logo and will be eligible to be elected onto the BEBA council. The council will control BEBA’s initiatives, direction and goals. Key Members must agree to and be able to demonstrate that they: 1. Only make sales through dealers / retailers or directly to the end user through flagship stores and not exclusively online 2. Manufacture or have the UK exclusive agency to a recognised brand of electric bicycle 3. Have an after sales support program available to all dealers 4. Hold a full spare parts inventory to enable on-going support for product in the market 5. Not manufacture / distribute electric bikes that the BEBA board determine to be replicas 6. Only market models that meet the current legal requirements 7. Offer full technical training to retail outlets 8. Provide retailers with marketing materials 9. Provide retailers with manuals for all bikes 10. Provide full service literature 11. Offer an effective complaints procedure to the end user BEBA Retail members may use the "BEBA Retailer" logo and will be listed on the BEBA web site as BEBA approved retailers. Retail members should: 1. Stock at least one brand of electric bike from a Key or Associate member of BEBA 2. Be technically capable and have the facilities to maintain any electric bicycle they retail 3. Hold or have immediate access to a full spare parts inventory to enable on-going support for product in the market 4. Commit to having at least one BEBA Key or Associates electric bike in store for demo at all times 5. Not retail electric bikes that the BEBA board determine to be replicas 6. Agree to PDI all electric bikes 7. Be prepared to co operate with BEBA in resolving any customer dispute bought to the attention of the BEBA committee Sounds quite rational, and to be applauded, methinks? Well done David and all your colleagues on BEBA.... Edited April 4, 201016 yr by themutiny
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