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Unfortunately it is true. My DIY ebike had a dinner plate Chinese DD rear hub and a 52V 20Ah battery with LG cells and throttle only; proper Deliveroo spec. The controller was rated at 35A, you can do the maths. It did still have working pedals but wasn't at all legal to use on the road. It was fun and cheap and capable of 35mph but the threat of the police crackdowns and an unclear response from the Chinese seller whether the battery BMS had temperature control forced my hand. I have too much to lose now. So I sold it for cash and handed that cash to a young lad for his beaten up 50cc moped. It's the best thing I did, it needed a few general maintenance items but after that, it was ready to go. My current insurers were happy to tag on the moped fully comp with commuting for pro rata £37 a year. That's probably less than some pay to insure their bicycle. It's a four stroke so does 100+ mpg and tax is £25 which seems a lot given the size of the engine but isn't the end of the world. This post is just a note to those with high power ebikes that really do consider a moped. It wasn't nearly as expensive as I thought it would be and now I can sling a helmet on and potter around at 30mph without worrying about every Insignia estate in the mirror, I just have to use the small bit of road next to the cycle paths instead. It's also massively comfortable with its soft wide seat. Yes, a tiny bit more regular maintenance but the ebike wasn't free of that either. Especially as a high power DIY, I had many problems melting connectors (contributed to the fire risk) and wearing brakes and suspension with heavy use. However, I am grateful for the knowledge gained while building the thing as we enter the era of PLEVs, it's just not ready for my use case yet. That's one more illegal ebike off the street.

Woosh and Wisper are both UK based. Both sell excellent, well priced products. Both have an excellent after-sales service. Both are friends of this forum and both regularly post here.

Petrol lobby in action.

If you use a snowboarding or BMX helmet, they cover your ears, so there's no external noise. https://www.argos.co.uk/product/3127722?istCompanyId=a74d8886-5df9-4baa-b776-166b3bf9111c&istFeedId=30f62ea9-9626-4cac-97c8-9ff3921f8558&istItemId=rqxlwxmxr&istBid=t&&cmpid=GS001&_$ja=tsid:59157%7Cacid:629-618-1342%7Ccid:20368875273%7Cagid:%7Ctid:%7Ccrid:%7Cnw:x%7Crnd:17460696278793881552%7Cdvc:c%7Cadp:%7Cmt:%7Cloc:9193754&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=20368875273&utm_term=3127722&utm_content=shopping&utm_custom1=&utm_custom2=629-618-1342&GPDP=true&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwxNW2BhAkEiwA24Cm9JHCk3B8wHmycXhXOWAWvOx5nO8naT7br1dmokOpF3RuxRLokSqJMBoCJIMQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Be careful to 1) line up the plug/socket correctly, and 2 push all the way home.. afaik the 'waterproof' connector option for ebike controller/peripherals is a real pita if/when any fault finding/fixing is involved, and the tiny pins are Very fragile.. (It seemed like a good idea/option when kit shopping.. it wasn't.. ) fwiw 'tails' above relates to the wire ends of a ebay socket cable..

a lot of fridge freezers in use today still run on isobutane (R600a) which has a flash point of 45degrees C. If for some reason debris clog the pipes, the pump will work harder to the point that it puts enough pressure to blow the pipes up and as it runs hotter than the flash point, your fridge freezer will explode.

Get one of these while you can. They're about to sell out. It sounds perfect for what you want. We tested their other MTB (now sold out) and found it to be excellent: https://www.argos.co.uk/product/3111006?clickPR=plp:1:10

https://wooshbikes.co.uk/?camino https://winstanleysbikes.co.uk/wisper-tailwind-city-low-crossbar-2024-electric-bike?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwxNW2BhAkEiwA24Cm9PYUMmpkAYJk5M1Yr_AjJMrNNg20SCmFnut2NioOv-snxmLIBDrMxhoCuv4QAvD_BwE#172=8536&389=22818 https://winstanleysbikes.co.uk/wisper-705-26-inch-step-through-2024-electric-bike?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwxNW2BhAkEiwA24Cm9Fy3i6V_VT9-NchHiPcb5PvHsxv3Kr_69O3Qp-L6f9nnvyQK4giPBhoClxgQAvD_BwE#172=344&389=18249&414=20825 https://www.electricscooterslondon.com/products/eleglide-m2-electric-mountain-bike?variant=44804086038752&currency=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_campaign=gs-2020-09-26&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwxNW2BhAkEiwA24Cm9CahpfU_06hN9i1kgM-avOxKjOIK4FO_ZnPB4xUdBd6i2PIIjFSQjxoCwJUQAvD_BwE

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I would speak to [mention=6303]Woosh[/mention] about your requirements - they sell batteries and chargers - they are more expensive but they use Panasonic and Samsung grade A cells and I think they have them certified and have insurance - David is risk averse and makes sure everything is safely done

The other ebike that's now sold out had a hailong on it, that was a deal-maker I think for a lot of people including me. I also did look at this bike too however do not want a custom battery.

I had a 24v Cyclamatic Power Plus. When I chucked it off Beachy Head, it went 0 - 120mph in about 3 seconds.

Hi b4 despite having owned both Bosch (KTM) andYamaha (Haibike) I have experienced no power delivery issues with the C1 on a Trek 3. I couldn't say whether it's cadence or torque sending when actually riding in power On mode the feeling is one of having a pair of top $ legs that have slept well, rather than a pair of 83 year old slightly knackered ones, even in the lowest (yellow) power setting. having + or - of 70% of the battery left after 30 miles, means that for a good chunk of time we were cycling unpowered, as the Trek (although not "light") feels great unpowered, and not too dissimilar to our 9.5 kg Islabikes Janis..... the front wheel motor offers no resistance and you wouldn't know it was there. The hills around Hertfordshire can be steep but usually short, so with the 40x40 gearing on the Trek, a lot can be ridden before using the 'get out of jail free' button. Having just come back from Tuscany, the hills there are a different story, meaning sometimes a 5km+ climbs And old legs (my wife is 81) means a lot of power is needed, but even so a 25mile 500 meter climbing day left 12% in the battery we are just booking for a weeks cycling on the Spanish/Portuguese border, where distances are 35+ miles and 5/600meters of climbing. September should still be warm, but we will carry our very small battery chargers with us as you get 25% in 30 mins coffee stop.....IF there is a coffee shop en route of course! aesthetics of the battery bottle are mmmm, but in frame batteries just wouldn't work either on holiday or at home, so basically "needs must" a pretty bullet proof kit, as all electric connections are made in house, and nothing really exposed to the elements. Even after 1000 miles on the back of the car in foul conditions! cheers Barry C