I would and have just called it "hard faced advertising".

You didnt join the discussion you posted an advertisement with a product video not a reply to earlier posts which advertised the Xiongda kits for you.

 

As you've probably read the Xiongda kit is not suitable for my bike, the bafang kit is.The best price is here.

What I didnt mention is that I can fit this kit to my full suspension 26" full suspension mountain bike, my 26" speed hardtail speed bike as well as my hardtail 29er to do this with a bafang hub motor kit would be incredibly hard and would require 2 different sizes of wheels with hub motors. My bikes are also 9 speeds and it seems to be unstated what the Xiongda wheels will fit onto.

 

Mike Higgins I have plenty of real world experience in electronics and should never have to use long winded terms like electronic engineering on a thread talking about bolt on electrical conversion kits.

The AWG system is simply a wire gauge numbering system and due to the relation between the order of numbering and size its very easy to get confused about sizes of wires like I did when I got my wires crossed.

 

Have you ever heard of Dale Carnegie? He wrote a famous book in the thirties which you should read.

Johncade you are simply back to troll this thread as you have already done.

You simply arent here to contribute to the discussion of electric bike conversion kits.

PS4 been on the forum 5 minutes and talking b*****ks again, then again he is allowed his opinion and have his say.

Well done to Panda for selling the Xiongda 2 speed kit not only have they been highly rated on here but all so over on ES .

Other members and new users to this forum would use the search area to get a general overview of recommendations and favourable opinions and at the same time venture over to ES where there is a large community on line, however their forum is vast.

Edited May 4, 201510 yr by Nealh

Your selling the kit so I doubt you're thinking about anything but your bottom line, not interested in cyclists getting the best conversion kit.

 

I wouldnt recommend the Xiongda to friends much better to save a little more and buy a quality kit like a bafang. If youre really pushed much better to go for a lower price kit from vpower_ebike or germanladen.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/311333640105

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181237508447

 

Bullet connectors are awful its mainly the car industry and RC community that use bullet connectors and they have moved beyond the style of connectors used in the Xiongda years ago. The style of connectors used in the Xiongda are usually cut off and soldered as they tend to fall apart.

 

Nobody wants a factory ebike unless theyre loaded! Those are usually made as town runabouts and for the over 50s who usually only spend £200 on their bikes.

What are you talking about? Bafang have no UK legal product which is competitive with the Xiongda two speed at less than 4.8kg or so for the CST - which is pricey, rare, and unavailable in front drive.

 

Bafang kits are usually sold from Chinese sites without so-called 'waterproof harnesses' which AFAIK have no actual waterproofing features over a supposed non-waterproof setup, as both terminate inside the controller case in precisely the same way. Indeed as the harness features an interim termination outside the controller case, it is arguably less waterproof.

 

As for this nonsense about bafang not doing bullet connectors, I'm building a new bafang swxk kit and BAFANG FITTED IT WITH BULLET CONNECTORS.

 

As for the cosmetics - the only remaining argument - being a reason for you to say "don't buy XiongDa" that all depends on how well you build your kit project bike. I really think in any case you've gone way too far, over nothing, and spouting untruths which are capable of damaging someone's business which has had time and savings invested in it. You truly appear to be empathy deficient, naive, and massively verbally incontinent, in addition to being quite willing to actually lie to damage someone else's business, and I think you should be banned.

Edited May 4, 201510 yr by jonathan75

I also think it would be reasonable were the moderator to remove untrue disparaging statements about the Xiongda.

I have a Bafang BPM kit which I haven't yet fitted and it is like most kits with messy wiring non of it waterproof but it is designed to be fitted with in an enclosure of one sort whether hard or soft for weather proofing.

The plug and play kit PS4 talks about is the BBS these are nice and neat and pretty well idiot proof so any one can fit them quite easily, no wheel building,trueing or dishing needed.

I have a small annual bonus due soon from my job and it is about the amount the 2 speed Xiongda will cost so eventually it may end up going Panda's way .

This thread was started to find a suitable electric conversion kit for my bike and Xiongda was almost immediately ruled out as not being suitable.

 

My issues with the wiring mess on that kit is simply disliked by some users on here who I assume are plagued with that or worse wiring.

 

The bafang swxk kit is a budget kit and uses bullets so that it can work with different controllers. The BBS02 has much more integrated wiring but uses a couple of newer style of bullet connector than the cheaper chinese kits which seem to use cheap automotive ones.

Although during posting on this thread I have ended talking about bullet connectors my issue is more with using low quality plastic connectors which arent suited for ebikes. the connectors on an ebike should at least have some sort of seal like on the bafang BBS02.

 

I've added a photo with a similar controller to the Xiongda which has 10 different connectors as oppose to 7 on the Xiongda. This is a good example of a bad kit for an average user as it uses bulky connectors which are usually used in a sealed car with the windows up and arent ever meant to be used by an end user. Also bespoke wiring would simplify this setup alot. Wires 1,3,4 7 all go to the handlebars on any standard bike and simply combining these into one cable would make wire management much simpler.

btw average age group on this thread/forum?

 

also having a look at other bafang kits some seem to use modern cassettes instead of freewheels which is a plus.

Edited May 5, 201510 yr by ps4customgamer

You truly appear to be empathy deficient, naive, and massively verbally incontinent, in addition to being quite willing to actually lie to damage someone else's business, and I think you should be banned.

jonathan75 you arent contributing to this thread only trying to troll me.

 

How dare you say I'm lying. My opinions are my own and at every point I've done my best to explain any reasoning behind my comments.

Edited May 5, 201510 yr by ps4customgamer

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btw average age group on this thread/forum?

 

also having a look at other bafang kits some seem to use modern cassettes instead of freewheels which is a plus.

 

 

Bit older than you sonny.

jonathan75 you arent contributing to this thread only trying to troll me.

 

How dare you say I'm lying. My opinions are my own and at every point I've done my best to explain any reasoning behind my comments.

 

The only troll here is you.

 

First you ask for opinions and then within five minutes you’re telling people here that their products are crap. You know SFA about anything, but that isn’t going to stop you because you have a massive sense of your own worth matched only by the size of your head.

 

You should go away as quickly as you came before you make yourself more of a laughing stock than you already have.

PS4, in one week you have managed to irritate countless members of this forum, maybe that was your intention or maybe it's simply a lack of social skills.

Either way I would advise you to take from this experience the fact that you need to change your attitude and at 23 years old it's not too late to do this.

When you manage to annoy so many folk it's not them, it's you.

Have a nice life.

Dave.

Can't agree more certainly has not endeared himself to the forum and has an ageist attitude, with age comes common sense and respect.

The Xiongda kit is excellent. I've built loads of bikes with every type of motor, controller and battety. There's nothing wrong with Xiongda kit, nor with its connectors,which all work as they should. I have the Xiongda on my main bike and wouldn't trade it for anything. I've only fitted disc brake versions of the Xiongda, which are wider than standard, so a bit tricky. The rim brake versiobs should be a lot more straightforward, so apologies to Panda for my previous comments. Don't forget a good torque arm though. I think the Ezee ones are much better than the Panda ones.

lol sonny.

This seems to be the one of the most viewed thread on here atm.

 

My only issue with panda is advertising on this thread. Panda seems to be simply a UK based reseller of Xiongda. There should be no issue with comparing with other kits however there seems to be with some of the users on here.

 

The Ezee kits seems to be quite well made looking at some videos and reviews. Nothing new or cutting edge but well made they seemed to do simple things like making all the components black like the controller unlike alot of chinese kits which have silver controllers, not an important design choice but one that adds alot to the aesthatic of the kit by having one unified colour.

The Ezee kits seems to be quite well made looking at some videos and reviews. Nothing new or cutting edge but well made they seemed to do simple things like making all the components black like the controller unlike alot of chinese kits which have silver controllers, not an important design choice but one that adds alot to the aesthatic of the kit by having one unified colour.

The current eZee kits have evolved in the last few years with improvements to every component. The controllers which are eZee's own design are weather resistant in a die cast case for mounting externally unlike many others which need to going inside a case. There is also the choice of different capacities and down tube or rear rack mounted.

Ok whats offered in the same price range as the Xiongda kit?

Your kits all seem to roll of the tongue easily as well lol

Ok whats offered in the same price range as the Xiongda kit?

Your kits all seem to roll of the tongue easily as well lol

For what its worth, I think this process involves too much reading and speculation,it happens to many at the beginning,get away from the pc and spend a few weekends visiting 50cycles,woosh,kudos,decathlon (they have an impressive pedelec for 620)

For what its worth, I think this process involves too much reading and speculation,it happens to many at the beginning,get away from the pc and spend a few weekends visiting 50cycles,woosh,kudos,decathlon (they have an impressive pedelec for 620)

The subject of this area of the forum is ebike conversion kits. Obviously people reading this thread arent looking to buy a factory made ebike.

There are good examples of good solid ebikes much better than from the likes of decathlon but you always pay a premium against adding your own conversion kit.

http://www.ukbikesdepot.com/m15b199s957p15002/CUBE_Stereo_Hybrid_140_Hpa_Pro_27_5_Electric_Mountain_Bike_2015/RS_GB/50678?gclid=CMHAxbTZq8UCFacSwwodZFoAQQ

The subject of this area of the forum is ebike conversion kits. Obviously people reading this thread arent looking to buy a factory made ebike.

There are good examples of good solid ebikes much better than from the likes of decathlon but you always pay a premium against adding your own conversion kit.

http://www.ukbikesdepot.com/m15b199s957p15002/CUBE_Stereo_Hybrid_140_Hpa_Pro_27_5_Electric_Mountain_Bike_2015/RS_GB/50678?gclid=CMHAxbTZq8UCFacSwwodZFoAQQ

I've got two conversions to my inexperienced name (the latest a decent kit from oxygen that really works). Here's one lesson i learned - a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing,the internet creates a lot of instant "experts" on the basis of someone having read a few threads in endless sphere. I'd nonetheless spend more time gaining actual experience as opposed to engaging in heated hypothetical debates if I were in your shoes.

I've got two conversions to my inexperienced name (the latest a decent kit from oxygen that really works). Here's one lesson i learned - a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing,the internet creates a lot of instant "experts" on the basis of someone having read a few threads in endless sphere. I'd nonetheless spend more time gaining actual experience as opposed to engaging in heated hypothetical debates if I were in your shoes.

 

Your not in my shoes however that last post seems very attacking after in reply to your post I raised the topic of this thread and carried on the discussion of a factory made ebike.

Ok whats offered in the same price range as the Xiongda kit?

Your kits all seem to roll of the tongue easily as well lol

Hi PS4,

 

I'm assume that your question is addressed to me as it directly followed my post.

I don't know the cost of a complete Xiongda kit?

We sell three brands of conversion kit, Ansmann, eZee and Heinzmann, all of high quality so not the cheapest.

 

Ansmann kits start at £799, eZee at £825 and Heinzmann at £1160.

 

There is more information on our website, but if you have more specific questions, please let me know.

ps4cg

 

This has been a very entertaining read for a sunday afternoon..

 

It gets quite confusing so forgive me if I repeat something already mentioned.

 

I noticed nobody asked yet...

"work at 36V as I can get these batteries very cheaply."

how many can you get? how cheaply?.. you could maybe trade your way with these to a great ebike.

 

PAS refers to pedelec assist sensor so you know your first kit linked to has power assist.

 

I looked a ciclotek to see if their XFC central motor kit was cheaper than BBS02

there is nothing in it and they are out of stock anyway

but.. their 'considerations' state

• Installation may not be reversible. The core motor is strongly attached to the bottom bracket, and this installation should be final.
  

which seems to not be what was wanted. I imagine this applies to all CD motors?

 

 

The BBS kit is simple to fit and in reverse is simple to remove to refit on another frame/bike so the XFC and others which are similar should not cause any problems. I think something is lost in their translation in to English, at the end of the day the cd is held in place by bolts and clamping rings.

Edited May 10, 201510 yr by Nealh