You shouldn't call people stupid full stop.

The difference between Starmer's behaviour and BJ's is pure semantics. Neither were probably working or perhaps both were. We can't tell and will actually never know. It's utterly futile any way.

Boris sat across from Cummings in garden to his place of work and his home never actually mentioned anything to do with running of country or spoke about it all the time? Neither of us know but in your hate of Boris you assume you do. Look at the damned picture Woosh. You can't actually tell what they are discussing but apparently you know it was all "social".(partying?)

It was a gathering at his place of work between people who work together and outside at that. You are being, along with many others, silly. I refuse to spend any more time on such a pathetic argument.

It's not as if BJ is perfect, there are such glaring faults worthy of criticism and time. This isn't one of them. It's all an utter waste of time, money and resources.

He had a chat and drink in his garden. Wow.

And, don't be surprised if this doesn't bring him down because ultimately any right minded person thinks a bloke having a drink in his own garden actually shouldn't. And if it doesn't, he will be all the stronger. Well done.

 

There is a major difference between Starmer and Johnson’s circumstances.

 

Starmer was taking a pause in the working day. They worked, they paused for sustenance and then continued working. A bit like office workers sitting at their desks to eat a packed lunch. Totally within the rules.

 

Johnson’s multiple party escapades took place after work had ceased for the day. There was music, dancing, games, suitcases full of booze and pratting around on a child’s swing to the extent that it broke. This is a million miles from what Starmer did. He stayed within the rules.

Edited January 20, 20224 yr by Mrs Honeyman

you still don't get it, the reason why pubs were closed and factories remained opened is because social gatherings are in pubs and work gatherings are at the factories. Hold on to it for a second.

Tim Martin (of Wetherspoons) was at that time forced to close his 925 pubs, BJ used No 10's garden to replace one of them. That's the reason why so many people are disgusted.

Some Conservative party organiser on TV other night, whose name escapes me, reckoned 66% of grass roots members still supported BJ.. So not sure where your 50% of Conservative voters comes from, perhaps its the Labour ones you spoke to.

It's just a shame all this energy, discussion and angst isn't for a better cause, but I suppose getting a Tory leader deposed is a good cause for Labour these days. They can't do much else apart from complain about PM having a drink.

So not sure where your 50% of Conservative voters comes from, perhaps its the Labour ones you spoke to.

I know you usually read and quote the Daily Mail but this is from the Daily Telegraph:

The latest polls, released on Jan 11, show fewer than one in four adults think the Government is doing a good job.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/19/boris-johnsons-approval-rating-partygate-scandal-has-sent-popularity/

 

so more than 75% of voters think that BJ does a bad job, work out the math.

If you don't have time for that, here are some polls:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership_approval_opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

 

download the YouGov poll,

https://yougov.co.uk/_pubapis/v5/uk/trackers/boris-johnson-approval-rating/download/

it's in cell AH3.

 

Do you think that Boris Johnson is doing well or badly as Prime Minister?

 

Conservative

 

2022-01-17, 50% say badly.

 

I don't make up the numbers.

Edited January 20, 20224 yr by Woosh

I know you usually read and quote the Daily Mail but this is from the Daily Telegraph:

The latest polls, released on Jan 11, show fewer than one in four adults think the Government is doing a good job.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/19/boris-johnsons-approval-rating-partygate-scandal-has-sent-popularity/

 

so more than 75% of voters think that BJ does a bad job, work out the math.

If you don't have time for that, here are some polls:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership_approval_opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

 

download the YouGov poll,

https://yougov.co.uk/_pubapis/v5/uk/trackers/boris-johnson-approval-rating/download/

it's in cell AH3.

 

Do you think that Boris Johnson is doing well or badly as Prime Minister?

 

Conservative

 

2022-01-17, 50% say badly.

 

I don't make up the numbers.

So you want him out because he's not popular or because he had a drink in garden. Make your mind up Woosh.

hubris. hannah horka thought same:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60050996

 

Doesn't anyone else think there is something strange about that story?

Woman gets covid. Seems to be recovering. Decides she feels better and wants to go for a walk. But her back starts hurting. So she lies down, and within TEN MINUTES ... she's 'choked to death'

 

Is this a common Covid response? I genuinely don't know. Can't say I've heard of that one EVER. Not in that time frame.

 

For those better versed in things going wrong with the body - what might that have been - would it have been a heart attack? would that give back pain then something happens and you seem to choke ??

So you want him out because he's not popular or because he had a drink in garden. Make your mind up Woosh.

That raises interesting question. seems mostly brexiteers in conservative party who want him out (eg davis), thats curious (restrictions would be lifting anyway). As labour voter have to wonder who's likely to make more serial fuckups and have more baggage into the next election? truss, Patel, Johnson? Probably johnson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swoHsdrIQ7Q

 

They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall)

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

 

seems they was right after all and all old ppl over 80 on avg boris should not go he should be shot with the rest of them morons!

So you want him out because he's not popular or because he had a drink in garden. Make your mind up Woosh.

That raises interesting question. seems mostly brexiteers in conservative party who want him out (eg davis), thats curious (restrictions would be lifting anyway). As labour voter have to wonder who's likely to make more serial fuckups and have more baggage into the next election? truss, Patel, Johnson? Probably johnson

Sacking him because he is monotonously incompetent is rather different to prising him out because he had a drink in garden.

This entire episode has almost been a distraction to his real failures.

Doesn't anyone else think there is something strange about that story?

Woman gets covid. Seems to be recovering. Decides she feels better and wants to go for a walk. But her back starts hurting. So she lies down, and within TEN MINUTES ... she's 'choked to death'

 

Is this a common Covid response? I genuinely don't know. Can't say I've heard of that one EVER. Not in that time frame.

 

For those better versed in things going wrong with the body - what might that have been - would it have been a heart attack? would that give back pain then something happens and you seem to choke ??

In the early days of Covid, people would be feeling just fine, but their oxygen saturation would be awful, and their lungs could stop being functional very quickly. Perhaps it wasn't Omicron?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbCGDM5ubPY

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zat9CRfUr-E:70

Doesn't anyone else think there is something strange about that story?

Woman gets covid. Seems to be recovering. Decides she feels better and wants to go for a walk. But her back starts hurting. So she lies down, and within TEN MINUTES ... she's 'choked to death'

 

Is this a common Covid response? I genuinely don't know. Can't say I've heard of that one EVER. Not in that time frame.

 

For those better versed in things going wrong with the body - what might that have been - would it have been a heart attack? would that give back pain then something happens and you seem to choke ??

Nor I, but I heard another one today from our next door neighbour.. actually just about an hour ago. She contracted Covid and it was a mild case .. but the real deal with PCR test etc., So after the 10 days she is fine . Then after 2 weeks later she gets a head cold, and basically feels rotten for at least 3 full weeks .. headaches, shivering the works ..but negative as LFTs go. Once sensitised to these things , she asks around and finds other covid survivers with similar stories.

In the early days of Covid, people would be feeling just fine, but their oxygen saturation would be awful, and their lungs could stop being functional very quickly. Perhaps it wasn't Omicron?

To assume that Omicron is the only Covid show in town is lazy. Delta is happily plying its trade, .. and God only knows what other brews are out there.

So you want him out because he's not popular or because he had a drink in garden. Make your mind up Woosh.

BJ is bad according to more than 75% voters, 50% of conservative voters.

is it a good enough reason for you?

If it's not enough, how about a PM who is worse than Theresa May, broke the ministerial code of conduct, the Nolan principles of public life, economical with the truth, generally unprincipled, lazy, and shallow?

 

I think the country deserves better.

Forget BJ, he will go sooner or later but for the good of the country, he should go as soon as.

BJ is bad according to more than 75% voters, 50% of conservative voters.

is it a good enough reason for you?

If it's not enough, how about a PM who is worse than Theresa May, broke the ministerial code of conduct, the Nolan principles of public life, economical with the truth, generally unprincipled, lazy, and shallow?

 

I think the country deserves better.

Forget BJ, he will go sooner or later but for the good of the country, he should go as soon as.

You are being very niave thinking BJ will be ousted because of a drink on garden. That's been a complete sham. The real reason is he lost support of his radical right back benchers months ago. Starmer, the media and many such as you have bought into the BS.

If BJ goes, which believe it or not I think he will, it will probably be first time in history a Labour leader (along with idiotic Cummings) has instigated a substantial change to the right.

Been saying it weeks now, be careful what you wish for. We can't get Starmer (ever) but will get some miscrient totally controlled by such as IDS and will represent a jump to the right. If you think BJ is bad, wait till we get his replacement controlled by Tory rebels.

Said it all along and I, ve been totally misunderstood, misquoted throughout. I neither want BJ or a Tory Government.

Simple fact is and still is there is no alternative to Tories at moment and BJ is best amongst them. Lesser of 2 evils on 2 counts.

I want a viable Labour government not some Woke leader on a crusade.

Whatever happens in next two years Starmer will never get in no 10. Labour must change or come election time Tories will win again, irrespective of leader (which could easily be BJ again) or what is happening now.

Edited January 21, 20224 yr by Zlatan

You are being very niave thinking BJ will be ousted because of a drink on garden. That's been a complete sham. The real reason is he lost support of his radical right back benchers months ago. Starmer, the media and many such as you have bought into the BS.

you are the naive one, by the way, you mispelt the word naive several times now.

A lot more people understand why the evening do at No10's garden was important, you don't get it, even with patient explanations from other forumnites and myself.

If BJ goes, which believe it or not I think he will, it will probably be first time in history a Labour leader (along with idiotic Cummings) has instigated a substantial change to the right.

Why do you think that KS made that happen? BJ stubs his big toe all by himself because he is unprincipled, lazy and shallow. Since Dominic Cummings left, his empty head has become glaringly emptier than before.

Problems are piling up, if you take away the vaccine, what else has he done? Even on the vaccine, he takes credit for it but in reality, anyone else could have done just as well. Tory voters can see clearly that he is just a fat and lazy boss with not a single worthy idea.

 

Said it all along and I, ve been totally misunderstood, misquoted throughout. I neither want BJ or a Tory Government.

and you want me to believe that?

 

Simple fact is and still is there is no alternative to Tories at moment and BJ is best amongst them. Lesser of 2 evils on 2 counts.

I want a viable Labour government not some Woke leader on a crusade.

that's totally unfair to tory MPs.

Lots of them are more intelligent, less lazy and more principled than BJ has ever been.

BJ got the job because of a string of lucky circumstances.

He's got Cummings in the brexit referendum. He was lucky because Cummings preferred the backroom to standing in front of the battle bus.

He was again lucky because TM was a terrible PM.

He was again lucky because Jeremy Hunt wasn't trusted by the ERG.

He was again lucky because the Labour party was divided at the 2019 general election.

However, his luck has since run out. Now we know how the real BJ coped or didn't cope with a crisis like Covid.

The bar is now so low that I reckon half of them can do a better job with the exception of IDS but you know that already.

Edited January 21, 20224 yr by Woosh

BJ stubs his big toe all by himself because he is unprincipled, lazy and shallow.

... with an expensive bridge/tunnel obsession:

 

Research into Johnson’s planned Irish Sea bridge cost taxpayers £900,000

Study found it would be ‘impossible to justify’ creating a fixed link between Scotland and Northern Ireland

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/20/research-into-johnsons-planned-irish-sea-bridge-cost-taxpayers-900000

you are the naive one, by the way, you mispelt the word naive several times now.

A lot more people understand why the evening do at No10's garden was important, you don't get it, even with patient explanations from other forumnites and myself.

 

Why do you think that KS made that happen? BJ stubs his big toe all by himself because he is unprincipled, lazy and shallow. Since Dominic Cummings left, his empty head has become glaringly emptier than before.

Problems are piling up, if you take away the vaccine, what else has he done? Even on the vaccine, he takes credit for it but in reality, anyone else could have done just as well. Tory voters can see clearly that he is just a fat and lazy boss with not a single worthy idea.

 

 

and you want me to believe that?

 

 

that's totally unfair to tory MPs.

Lots of them are more intelligent, less lazy and more principled than BJ has ever been.

BJ got the job because of a string of lucky circumstances.

He's got Cummings in the brexit referendum. He was lucky because Cummings preferred the backroom to standing in front of the battle bus.

He was again lucky because TM was a terrible PM.

He was again lucky because Jeremy Hunt wasn't trusted by the ERG.

He was again lucky because the Labour party was divided at the 2019 general election.

However, his luck has since run out. Now we know how the real BJ coped or didn't cope with a crisis like Covid.

The bar is now so low that I reckon half of them can do a better job with the exception of IDS but you know that already.

It's not what he has or hasn't done it's what the alternative really is.

You have some misdirected notion that ousting BJ will change things. It won't change a thing but probably make them worse.

Exactly who are you expecting or wanting to take charge?

Starmer isn't even an option and doubt he will be in 2 years. So who are you wanting Woosh?

Because the next leader will not be chosen on his ability to gain popularity with voters it will be the one most swayed by 1922 committee.??

Pulling spelling up is desperate Woosh.

Even for you. As was calling me stupid.

You have some misdirected notion that ousting BJ will change things. It won't change a thing but probably make them worse.

I think anyone taking over directly from Johnson will have to make immediate changes. They likely want to do so, but it will be their major test - whether they can make the changes they promise effectively and improve the position of the tories.

 

Their ability to appeal to the electorate will be crucial. 1922 members might make the wrong assessments of that factor, but they absolutely know it is a huge part of the reason to vote for one rather than another candidate.

I think anyone taking over directly from Johnson will have to make immediate changes. They likely want to do so, but it will be their major test - whether they can make the changes they promise effectively and improve the position of the tories.

 

Their ability to appeal to the electorate will be crucial. 1922 members might make the wrong assessments of that factor, but they absolutely know it is a huge part of the reason to vote for one rather than another candidate.

But that choice is out of our hands completely. When a presiding PM is ousted the Party choose the leader. Yes, the party chose BJ but had to get endorsement at polling Booth. They now get a free choice.

This whole episode has been to do with moving party back to right. They tried and failed last year. This time under cover of parties they look like doing so. And folk will cheer but wake up to a more Tory government. Well done.

Woosh

Don't believe they have found a connection between dyslexia and naivety.

But that choice is out of our hands completely. When a presiding PM is ousted the Party choose the leader. Yes, the party chose BJ but had to get endorsement at polling Booth. They now get a free choice.

This whole episode has been to do with moving party back to right. They tried and failed last year. This time under cover of parties they look like doing so. And folk will cheer but wake up to a more Tory government. Well done.

Woosh

Don't believe they have found a connection between dyslexia and naivety.

Possibly with just long enough for them to upset even many of those who remain as tory voters right now before a GE.

Starmer isn't even an option and doubt he will be in 2 years. So who are you wanting Woosh?

 

I bet on Jeremy Hunt or Michael Gove.

I thought you commented on that post and may have forgotten it.

I think either will be a much better PM than Johnson.

the bar is so low even Dancing Queen TM was better than Johnson.

 

Pulling spelling up is desperate Woosh.

Even for you. As was calling me stupid.

please stop telling fellow posters that they are stupid because you will find that the comparison may be unfair to yourself.

Edited January 21, 20224 yr by Woosh

... with an expensive bridge/tunnel obsession:

 

Research into Johnson’s planned Irish Sea bridge cost taxpayers £900,000

Study found it would be ‘impossible to justify’ creating a fixed link between Scotland and Northern Ireland

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/20/research-into-johnsons-planned-irish-sea-bridge-cost-taxpayers-900000

 

That was his dirt cheap bargain one.

 

His Thames Garden Bridge one cost £53 millions without building it ever starting.

 

And there's an inherent loss of at least £200 millions in his daft new routemaster bus scheme.

.

how about a PM who is worse than Theresa May, broke the ministerial code of conduct, the Nolan principles of public life, economical with the truth, generally unprincipled, lazy, and shallow?

 

I think the country deserves better.

 

Forget BJ, he will go sooner or later but for the good of the country, he should go as soon as.

 

I think the country has the PM they richly deserve.

 

If they really deserved better they wouldn't have voted in Boris Johnson in 2019, Theresa May in 2017 or even this Tory government after their decade of unnecessary austerity.

 

Let Boris Johnson and his appalling government that they've chosen stay for the remaining two and a half years and suffer them accordingly.

 

That might finally wake the public up enough to get finally get rid of both of them long term, in favour of Labour or a reinvigorated Lib Dems.

.

Possibly with just long enough for them to upset even many of those who remain as tory voters right now before a GE.

Was thinking same. The purpose of this government was nominally to deliver brexit. And Boris is - aggressively and successfully - not delivering that (or anything else). May seem uncaring but as napoleon said, never interrupt your enemy while he's making a mistake. And in the long run brexit's the mistake.

I think the country has the PM they richly deserve.

 

If they really deserved better they wouldn't have voted in Boris Johnson in 2019, Theresa May in 2017 or even this Tory government after their decade of unnecessary austerity.

 

Let Boris Johnson and his appalling government that they've chosen stay for the remaining two and a half years and suffer them accordingly.

 

That might finally wake the public up enough to get finally get rid of both of them long term, in favour of Labour or a reinvigorated Lib Dems.

.

To a point I agree, other than "reinvigorated lib dems taking power". That kind of mountain would require a charismatic type (macron come to mind) and we all know how that ends.