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Brexit, for once some facts.

This is part 1 of the Brexit, for once some facts. discussion.

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Of course you have George! You're an all-year-round kilt man......aren't you?

 

Tom

 

Shades of Tony Hancock here it seems.

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Who's pulling May's strings was identified by her wanting to include fox hunting in her manifesto. I don't see Hammond in hunting pink but you can see Rees-Mug and Bone getting a thrill watching a fox being torn to bits.

So what else are these fascist right wingers controlling? Obviously hard Brexit but what else?

It is ironic that these Tory right wingers and UKIP could ultimately be the cause that will get Corbyn as PM. Something about tangled webs.......hehe.

KudosDave

Parliament gets hit by cyber attack.....someone worked out that the password .......MAYHEM2017.

KudosDave

 

You mean they have computers? I thought everything was done on velum! Someone must have turned one on by accident "No! don't touch that button!" Too late... Win95 boot screen then cryptic on screen message "U R fscked" I think that means file system check or something... :rolleyes:

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You mean they have computers? I thought everything was done on velum!

 

No, vellum or parchment is what they load into their computer printers! ;)

 

In fact our MPs are not behind the times at all, lots of them are on tablets in the chamber tweeting during debates and smartphones proliferate.

 

I've even seen tablets in use in the House of Lords during sessions.

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Jeremy Corbyn was on stage at Glastonbury, where it had probably the biggest audience ever, and he received a rapturous greeting. In addition his name has been sung there and elsewhere to the music of the old song "Oh Mr Porter".

 

He spoke effectively to the Glastonbury crowds and will have done himself a power of future good.

 

Theresa May must be green with envy, she's more ridiculed and despised than liked these days. With her diminished personal rating and Corbyn's ever increasing popularity I can't see the Tories hanging on to her very long now.

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I thought people were joking about there being a cyber attack on the HOC Email accounts.

This is an utter disgrace.

Do you realise somebody could actually smuggle sensible ideas in?

This could bring an abrupt end to over a thousand years of reliable and sustained nonsense,

After all in the immortal words of Groucho Marx

 

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

 

Introducing sensible ideas would derail the whole process.

 

Aren't these the people who are supposed to be protecting us from this sort of thing happening?

Not looked at Pedelecs for a long while.

Keep it up, always amusing to read, though whether enlightening, I'm not quite sure.

 

The truth is we are manipulated by the "management" as though we are fools, but the fools could bite back eventually.

 

My belief is that the current confusion will result in a fudged Brexit ,with most of the original important stuff for the UK remaining.

Not looked at Pedelecs for a long while.

Keep it up, always amusing to read, though whether enlightening, I'm not quite sure.

 

The truth is we are manipulated by the "management" as though we are fools, but the fools could bite back eventually.

 

My belief is that the current confusion will result in a fudged Brexit ,with most of the original important stuff for the UK remaining.

Except for what really matters, having a place and influence in Europe, the rest isn't worth a Tinkers Cuss in the long term.

We have run the ship of state onto the rocks while the rest of the fleet sail away to warmer climes.

Amusing copy from the independent

"Henry Smith, the Conservative MP for Crawley, tweeted: “Sorry no parliamentary email access today – we're under cyber attack from Kim Jong-un, Putin or a kid in his mom's basement or something.”

 

The kid in his mom's basement has categorically stated via the Russian Embassy.

"It wasn't me, but I won't do it again."

While the clueless chief British negotiating team wrestle with the impossibility of achieving anything of a 'Brexit' that will provide anywhere near as good benefits as we currently enjoy, it might be worth focussing for a moment on some of the problems the nation faces, 'Brexit' or no 'Brexit'.

 

In no particular order:

 

 

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As if that little lot isn't bad enough, most recently we have witnessed some automaton in female form performing the role of a Prime Minister who seems incapable of demonstrating any real warmth or empathy for the common folk in the UK......or foxes!

 

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Tom

It begins

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Brexit's architects are hated by British public, chart shows

Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Nigel Farage's popularity has plummeted since last year's referendum according to polls

The popularity of some of the key Brexit campaigners, including Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Michael Gove, has fallen to record low as the UK marks a year since the EU referendum, a new poll shows.

 

The survey by YouGov found that the politicians who vigorously campaigned for Britain to leave the 27 nation bloc have become increasingly disliked by the public.

 

At the time of the referendum last June, a YouGov poll found 40 per cent of respondents said they disliked or really disliked Mr Johnson, while 49 per cent said the same of Mr Farage and 65 per cent for Mr Gove.

A similar poll conducted by YouGov in June this year, showed the proportion of respondents who said they disliked Mr Johnson had increased to 53 per cent.

 

Dislike of Mr Farage had increased to 78 per cent, while Mr Gove scored a staggering 83 per cent.

During the referendum campaign, Mr Johnson and Mr Gove toured the country on a bus promising voters an additional £350m would be spent on the NHS if the UK left the EU.

 

Almost immediately after the vote, senior campaigners started to backtrack on it.

 

The UK Statistics Authority also described it as “potentially misleading”. Mr Johnson nonetheless insisted in April that he still stood by his pre-referendum promise

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They will come to woe the day!

Oh Tom! you are not being Fair to the Daily Mail!

After all it must be a HUGE IMPROVEMENT over this earlier Front Page, surely

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The details of their Fascist past are here

I urge everyone to read it fully to see just how "Patriotic" this paper really is, and ask why do they support Brexit? what's in if for these Fascists?

 

http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/tle-pick/revealed-the-extent-of-the-daily-mails-support-for-the-british-union-of-fascists/28/10/

This bit is truly Delicious!

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The story, bylined to Viscount Rothermere, praised Mosley for his “sound, common sense, Conservative doctrine”, and pointed out that: “Young men may join the British Union of Fascists by writing to the Headquarters, King’s Road, Chelsea, London, S.W.”

 

For a full six months, the Daily Mail was overtly sympathetic to the Black Shirts until a rally at the Kensington Olympia, in the summer of 1934.

 

However, the Daily Mail did not drop its support for Mosley’s BUF wholly because of their ‘violence’ and ‘intolerance,’ as Pendlebury claims.

 

Rothermere – whose dynasty still own the news group – told Adolf Hitler himself that real reason was because Jewish advertisers in the UK threatened to pull the plug on his paper.

 

It is not often that news stories rely on the testimony of Hitler to back-up facts. But in this case, the Fuhrer’s words are compelling indeed.

 

 

Credit where it's due Tom!

 

I am no fan of The Daily Fail, but this was 73 years ago. Catch up.

I am no fan of The Daily Fail, but this was 73 years ago. Catch up.

So are you saying that have changed? Catch up yourself!

 

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It begins

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Brexit's architects are hated by British public, chart shows

Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Nigel Farage's popularity has plummeted since last year's referendum according to polls

The popularity of some of the key Brexit campaigners, including Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Michael Gove, has fallen to record low as the UK marks a year since the EU referendum, a new poll shows.

 

The survey by YouGov found that the politicians who vigorously campaigned for Britain to leave the 27 nation bloc have become increasingly disliked by the public.

 

At the time of the referendum last June, a YouGov poll found 40 per cent of respondents said they disliked or really disliked Mr Johnson, while 49 per cent said the same of Mr Farage and 65 per cent for Mr Gove.

A similar poll conducted by YouGov in June this year, showed the proportion of respondents who said they disliked Mr Johnson had increased to 53 per cent.

 

Dislike of Mr Farage had increased to 78 per cent, while Mr Gove scored a staggering 83 per cent.

During the referendum campaign, Mr Johnson and Mr Gove toured the country on a bus promising voters an additional £350m would be spent on the NHS if the UK left the EU.

 

Almost immediately after the vote, senior campaigners started to backtrack on it.

 

The UK Statistics Authority also described it as “potentially misleading”. Mr Johnson nonetheless insisted in April that he still stood by his pre-referendum promise

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They will come to woe the day!

 

This doesn't surprise me. They have not followed up the BREXIT vote with anything of substance. It all seem to be pi$$ and wind.

So are you saying that have changed? Catch up yourself!

 

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I didn't say that.

This doesn't surprise me. They have not followed up the BREXIT vote with anything of substance. It all seem to be pi$$ and wind.

 

I doubt that there has ever been a worse run major change in our long and sordid history.

Are they trying to bore the population into forgetting how major a change this will be?

We can all rest easy that Mr Davis, a man of great Political Perspicacity is negotiating the Brexit deal on our behalf

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David Davis admits he told Theresa May to call disastrous election - and he hasn't apologised

He said he hasn't said sorry to the PM because he "didn't design the campaign"

 

Actually if I was her I would feel extremely lucky that he hadn't, as tar and feathers would ruin those fancy shoes as well as everything else.

From the Express

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David Davis threatens Brussels with Brexit 'WALK AWAY' if EU tries to 'PUNISH or DELAY'

BREXIT Secretary David Davis has reaffirmed Britain’s willingness to walk away from the European Union talks if Brussels attempt to punish Britain over their European divorce.

It isn't "Britain's Willingness" you blithering idiot it's yours and the other right wing nut jobs you represent.

But what can you expect from the Express?

Davis now says

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Davis said the Tories had been dealt a “different hand” after being stripped of their majority in the general election.

 

He also said he could not be “100% sure” that Britain would secure a Brexit deal at the end of its talks with the EU27, insisting he never claimed it would be an easy process.

Put simply that is a Lie

 

Asked if he was absolutely sure there would be a deal at the end of the two-year process, Davis replied: “I’m pretty sure, I’m not 100% sure. It is a negotiation.”

 

 

Pressed on the issue, he said there would be a deal but added that he could not be certain it would involve the free trade deal and customs agreement Britain was asking for.

 

“I never said it was a breeze,” he said. “I said it will be turbulent, there will be difficulties but at the end there is a point of common interest.”

 

Where does the lie come it? Lets look back at his previous statements

"The staunch Leave backer, a former Europe Minister, however said during the referendum campaign that Britain would negotiate individual trade deals with other EU countries.

However one of the main basic features of the European Union is that EU countries cannot negotiate individual trade deals with outside countries and instead do so as a bloc of 28.

 

The basic fact, which was paraded by other parts of the Leave campaign during the referendum, leaves Ms Davis’s original plan for one-on-one trade deals in tatters.

 

“Post Brexit a UK-German deal would include free access for their cars and industrial goods, in exchange for a deal on everything else,” he said on 26 May 2016

One hopes someone has put him wise to some of the facts, but I doubt it.

 

let's face it the man is incompetent and totally inept

But then the Leave Campaign had no idea what it was doing at the time of the referendum and it clearly still doesn't does it?

Davis is a card isn't he?

Taking back control is high on his list, well, perhaps not....

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UK willing to do deal on European Court of Justice's influence after Brexit, says David Davis

Minister says future trade disputes could be resolved by a new body that may involve European officials

Cabinet minister David Davis has signalled he is willing to do a deal with Brussels over the European Court of Justice's influence in the UK after Brexit.

 

He said the UK would consider setting up a new arbitration body that would include European officials to rule in future trade disputes.

 

The Brexit Secretary was adamant that it would not mean the ECJ itself continuing to have a role, something Theresa May has made a red-line in her approach.

 

Am I the only one to smell a "Sell out"?

Negotiating with the EU is going to seem like a walk in the park compared to selling these ideas to the people who voted for Brexit.

You would think after the Grenfell Tower disaster the Government would have had second thoughts on this websites contents.

 

https://cutting-red-tape.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/

This paragraph sums up the Tory Viewpoint on Safety Perfectly

 

Businesses with good records have had fire safety inspections reduced from 6 hours to 45 minutes, allowing managers to quickly get back to their day job.

Perhaps a Government spokesman would care to go there or indeed to meet the residents of any Tower Block and explain the benefits of this Government initiative?

The Express just had a Poll

Should Brexit day be a Bank Holiday?

Oh Dear, it didn't work out well,

I voted No there is nothing to celebrate and for the First time EVER I was one of the 100%

They won't be pleased about that!

This doesn't surprise me. They have not followed up the BREXIT vote with anything of substance. It all seem to be pi$$ and wind.

 

Better late than never suppose....but many of us knew that long before the negotiations ever started. The problem was that those who wanted to leave were only too eager to believe anything the proven liars who led the leave campaign said. All that bluster and bragging about how the UK would humble the EU........anyone credulous enough to believe those claims have now no license to upbraid the people who made them.

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