With or without insurance you can't really compensate someone enough for a life changing injury or death? NO. but with insurance you don't have to be economically in debt, thats the only "insurance" you get.

I did not know at the time that my insurance was expired, and I hadn't been driving if I did.

 

I'm sorry you had a accident, I hope you will be ok. your accident doesn't mean I'm a sociopath, unless you'll call anyone riding a bike without reflective stickers on the pedals a sociopath for breaking the law...

Well, I have had a head on crash at 70km/h with my old VW bus, I did not have insurance at the time of the accident.

I got full coverage for my wrecked bus from the opposing drivers insurance company, only reaction to me not having insurance was that the police took the license plates from my then wrecked car on site. If the accident was my fault I would have to pay for the repairs of his car, that would be bad. But how much damage can a bike really do?

 

Ofc, I will be fined for driving a unregistered vehicle if the police finds out, that fine i know from experience is 4000NOK, and a chance I'm willing to take because I am as you all now know a hardened criminal:)

With or without insurance you can't really compensate someone enough for a life changing injury or death? NO. but with insurance you don't have to be economically in debt, thats the only "insurance" you get.

I did not know at the time that my insurance was expired, and I hadn't been driving if I did.

 

I'm sorry you had a accident, I hope you will be ok. your accident doesn't mean I'm a sociopath, unless you'll call anyone riding a bike without reflective stickers on the pedals a sociopath for breaking the law...

 

 

The car is insured (basic) as long as the licence plates are on.even if you havent paid.Thats why you didnt get any problems.Your car was legal

The car is insured (basic) as long as the licence plates are on.even if you havent paid.Thats why you didnt get any problems.Your car was legal

 

Thats just not true at all. If you don't have insurance you're not insured. You can't just remove your insurance with the plates on your car, but if you don't pay your bills you're not insured anymore and then you are on your own. the authorities will then take your plates the first chance they get, as they did with my wrecked bus.

Thats just not true at all. If you don't have insurance you're not insured. You can't just remove your insurance with the plates on your car, but if you don't pay your bills you're not insured anymore and then you are on your own. the authorities will then take your plates the first chance they get, as they did with my wrecked bus.

 

Yes ,you cant remove your insurence with plates on the car.Thats not possible.

The insurance company want allow it,before the autohorities has taken the plates or you send them in yourself.The basic insurance,that doesent cover your car,but the other ones car/property and person injuries stays on until the authorities have had a chance to take your plates .Even if you stopped paying.

https://kundeservice.codanforsikring.no/blir-forsikringen-avsluttet-hvis-jeg-ikke-betaler/4630

 

Norwegian link, don't bother clicking if you don't know norwegian..

 

I know very well what happens if you don't pay your insurance, you clearly don't. If you don't belive me or the above link call your insurance company tomorrow, and ask them. why would they keep insuring a car if they don't get paid?

my bike goes 30mph

 

Mine thrown out of an airplane at 2000 metres goes much faster than that!

I'm just arguing that the rules are stupid, I know very well that I'm a criminal, none of my cars are strictly legal either.

 

In fact the EU agrees with you and are working on a new class of pedelec for solving just this problem which also affects delivery bicycles/tricycles. I read that on bike europe last year but can't find the reference maybe [mention=4]flecc[/mention] remembers? From memory: pedelec limited to 25 km/h but motor up to 1000 W continuous rated power.

I'm sorry you had a accident, I hope you will be ok. your accident doesn't mean I'm a sociopath, unless you'll call anyone riding a bike without reflective stickers on the pedals a sociopath for breaking the law...

 

Your cars aren't legal, or insured. You blatantly risk other people's health, what else do you do. That's not accepting social responsibility.

You said how much damage could a bike cause?

Well saying death might be considered dramatic. But head injuries can happen to pedestrians.

My accident demos that a bike can easily get a high level of injury and cost.

In fact the EU agrees with you and are working on a new class of pedelec for solving just this problem which also affects delivery bicycles/tricycles. I read that on bike europe last year but can't find the reference maybe [mention=4]flecc[/mention] remembers? From memory: pedelec limited to 25 km/h but motor up to 1000 W continuous rated power.

 

Yes, it's the L1e-A class. The type approval law for this should be finalised for January 2018. The UK which already had a moped driving licence (group P) has introduced a new one for the L1e-A class, group Q, and this may also apply in some other EU countries.

 

However, it's been in existence for very many years as the Low Powered Moped Class. Bicycle based and limited to 25 kph but power rating up to 1000 watts, subject to moped laws such as driving licence, registration, insurance, m/c approved helmet, the selection depending on country.

 

The reason no-one has been aware of it is that no-one made them and there was no demand, a circular impasse.

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Your cars aren't legal, or insured. You blatantly risk other people's health, what else do you do. That's not accepting social responsibility.

You said how much damage could a bike cause?

Well saying death might be considered dramatic. But head injuries can happen to pedestrians.

My accident demos that a bike can easily get a high level of injury and cost.

 

My cars are currently, and have been for the most part insured, I was at one point in my life sloppy with paying my bills, (theres a long story here, but the bill wasn't paid)

My cars aren't legal, one of them is the wrong color, and 5,1% smaller wheels than stock (limit is 5%) The other one is probably also illegal in some sort of way, can't remember any right now tho.

And risk other peoples health? what are you talking about? I drive like a saint for all you know. Well, driving a car at all is at risk of my own and others life, so is riding a bike, and opening a bag of peanuts without extreme precautions. You try to minimise the risk of any activities, but there will always be some risk left. this risk is the same on a legal 25km/h bike as on a illegal 25km/h bike, (assuming they are pretty much identical in all other ways than rated output) Only difference is if the worst happends I might need to open my wallet more than you.

My cars are currently, and have been for the most part insured, I was at one point in my life sloppy with paying my bills, (theres a long story here, but the bill wasn't paid)

 

Most countries have some sort of scheme to cope with uninsured vehicles, and I'd think Norway would.

 

Here in the UK for example the Motor Insurers Bureau covers uninsured claims, the whole motor insurance industry covering the costs arising from that.

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Most countries have some sort of scheme to cope with uninsured vehicles, and I'd think Norway would.

 

Here in the UK for example the Motor Insurers Bureau covers uninsured claims, the whole motor insurance industry covering the costs arising from that.

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I have no clue how this works anywhere else, but I know how it works here.

If my car is uninsured and I crash into your car, breaking your leg or something. the crash was my fault, so I have to cover expenses, both to fix your car, and your medical bills, and maybe other expenses (you might not be able to work for a couple months and so on)

In this case you may have a claim for 30-40000£.

In this case your insurance company would give you the money, and then they would make me pay them the money+their expenses. this would be a really bad thing for me, putting me 40-50k£ in debt to them, but for you it would be the same as if I had insurance...

If none of us have insurance you still have the same claim, but you have to claim it for me personally, and you don't get anything before i pay up. So insurance is really only for your own sake, and only useful if you make a mistake.

I have no clue how this works anywhere else, but I know how it works here.

If my car is uninsured and I crash into your car, breaking your leg or something. the crash was my fault, so I have to cover expenses, both to fix your car, and your medical bills, and maybe other expenses (you might not be able to work for a couple months and so on)

In this case you may have a claim for 30-40000£.

In this case your insurance company would give you the money, and then they would make me pay them the money+their expenses. this would be a really bad thing for me, putting me 40-50k£ in debt to them, but for you it would be the same as if I had insurance...

If none of us have insurance you still have the same claim, but you have to claim it for me personally, and you don't get anything before i pay up. So insurance is really only for your own sake, and only useful if you make a mistake.

 

The costs are also claimed back from uninsured drivers here who cause accidents, but at least the costs are covered meanwhile by the Motor Insurers Bureau, so no waiting.

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Well, I have had a head on crash at 70km/h with my old VW bus, I did not have insurance at the time of the accident.

I got full coverage for my wrecked bus from the opposing drivers insurance company, only reaction to me not having insurance was that the police took the license plates from my then wrecked car on site. If the accident was my fault I would have to pay for the repairs of his car, that would be bad. But how much damage can a bike really do?

 

Ofc, I will be fined for driving a unregistered vehicle if the police finds out, that fine i know from experience is 4000NOK, and a chance I'm willing to take because I am as you all now know a hardened criminal:)

 

 

One cannot assume that the legal position will be similar in different states so transposing UK practices to other countries with a different history is fraught. If you suffered a head on collision then by definition either you or the other driver was on the incorrect side of the road. From the fact that you received compensation from the other insurance company indicated to me that in that instance you were not at fault. The police can still prosecute if they identify a failure in proper documentation or defects in the vehicle

Had the fault be assigned to you, UK Irish practice would have listed you as an uninsured driver and while the police would prosecute and courts would impose a fine, that could be the least of your difficulties. The victim would be entitled to sue you for any damages, medical bills etc and this could bankrupt you.

If there was an accident where both parties were partially to blame, then the other party could look at defects in your car or bike as mitigation on their part, thus increasing your liability. The innocent party will receive compensation from either their health insurance or the motor insurance industry, but that then entitles these companies to persue you via the courts.

From what I read, its mostly the same.

If both parties are partially to blame, then a fault in my car can be used against me. BUT it has to be relevant. in a head on collision on a narrow road, my speed, worn tires, bad brakes or even a headlight fault can be used to make me liable. however a rear foglight not working or a engine emissions problem is completely irrelevant to the case, therefor cannot be used against me. However the police can still fine me for driving a vehicle with a bad rear tail light (don't think thats actually something they do, but if they did they could)

Back on topic anyone?

Her current bike is broken, got a working battery and it worked for 10 minutes, the display has been a suspect for a while, as the leds showing power level hasn't worked for months. opened it and bingo, power in to the display was loose and there was black marks mulitple places on the pcb.

Is there any chance this can be bought new somewhere? I had hoped I could sell the bike as working soon...

That looks similar to one of these:

http://www.pandaebikes.com/product/electric-bicycle-e-bike-880-led-display-standard-connections-24v-36v-48v/

That looks similar to one of these:

http://www.pandaebikes.com/product/electric-bicycle-e-bike-880-led-display-standard-connections-24v-36v-48v/

 

That one looks like it might be a newer version, mine is datestamped 2012, so I'm not surprised if its out of stock. I'll try the one you linked, cheap enaugh to not loose my house if it doesn't work..

There's two types: analogue and digital (5 and 4 wires). The analogue ones with lights also have 5 wires, but are still not compatible with the digital controllers. Can you show a photo of the inside?

There's two types: analogue and digital (5 and 4 wires). The analogue ones with lights also have 5 wires, but are still not compatible with the digital controllers. Can you show a photo of the inside?

 

Here, I got the "new type" from a local shop, but the plug is wrong, and i dont want to change the plug on a 70£ part without knowing that it works first...

I'm pretty sure that's an analogue one. That looks like a row of resistors along the bottom to divise the voltage for the analogue output. Normal configuration is:

 

Red wire in = battery supply (VCC)

Blue wire out = switched battery supply to the controller (K for key?)

Green wire out: 1v level 1, 2v level 2, 3v level3, 4v walk assist (OUT?)

Black wire = ground (GND)

5the wire (yellow?) = lights battery voltage (something +)

 

The digital ones will have:

Red wire in = battery supply (VCC)

Blue wire out = switched battery supply to the controller (K or something +)

Green wire out: data (TX)

Black wire = ground (GND)

Yellow =data (RX)

 

Sometimes the colours are different, but those are the most common.

[uSER=4366]@d8veh[/uSER]: thanks, But the one I have have 5 power levels, never tested them to see if they are actually different, but there are 5 LED's.

Seems like my old one is analogue, also cause the green wire is clearly labeled "out" not "TX".

 

I have trouble finding them, the lokal ebike shop said they have been off the market for years.

I found this, has the same functions (including light), but only 3 pas output levels, you think it would work?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/LED-DISPLAY-MANUAL-control-panel-for-electric-bike-scooter-conversion-parts-lithium-battery-bike-instrument-intelligent/32378365377.html?spm=2114.40010208.4.14.QnT60r

 

The other option the local shop recommended was to change both controller and display, for a price higher than I originally payed for the whole bike..., but I see there are some cheap ones, (at this point I think even the cheap ones will be a upgrade)

This is 14 amps. You can take it up to 18 amps by soldering the shunt. How much power do you want?

 

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/24v36v48v250w350w-controller-display-set-control-panel-lcd-dashboard-for-electric-bike-scooter-moped-mtb-tricycle-scooter/32464390144.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.h0CHDc

Got the Bafang kit yesterday. All pretty straightforward to mount, exept for the brake switch (witch I planned to use as a "clutch" while shifting gears). I ordered for Hydraulic brakes and got that (i think) but I can't figure out how to mount it on a Deore handle?

For now I'll just let the gears suffer, it doesn't sound to bad if I just let of a bit of power on the pedals when shifting, just like you'd do on a normal bike.

 

The gearset is too high, 44t in front and 11-32 in the rear result in only the first gear can't reach 25km/h on motor power. Already ordered 32t front gear with adapter.

 

But with just some dry runs (without the trailer) for now it works perfectly, just as good as the hype!

Sorry no pics yet, will come later..

The gearset is too high, 44t in front and 11-32 in the rear result in only the first gear can't reach 25km/h on motor power. Already ordered 32t front gear with adapter.

 

That is my pet peeve with most crank drives, they come with gearing that is way to high for 26" drive wheel as it wont allow them to spin freely on hills.

Having said that they are well suited to 20" rear wheels out of the box

With the 32 front ring you will have similar gearing to my trike, I think you will like it a lot.

Edited January 12, 20179 yr by Geebee