March 6, 20179 yr I might be missing something here, but how could they be further regulated in a way that makes any difference though, especially since laws already exist to prosecute if the crown wishes to do so? In addition, anyone who is already riding illegally, isn't going to comply with further restrictions We are missing plod with a speed gun on cycle paths and bans on electric bikes on private land. Vehicle and licensing agency spot checks and any other nause they could throw in the name of protecting the elderly from unlicensed motorbikes.
March 6, 20179 yr Total ban no but far more restrictive approach to the current regulations is possible and arguably likely. Don't worry Dave, you'll have croaked it of old age long before anything like that happens
March 6, 20179 yr Don't worry Dave, you'll have croaked it of old age long before anything like that happens Possibly before the weekend the way I'm feeling
March 6, 20179 yr We are missing plod with a speed gun on cycle paths and bans on electric bikes on private land. Vehicle and licensing agency spot checks and any other nause they could throw in the name of protecting the elderly from unlicensed motorbikes. What would any of those (unlikely) measures achieve when the legislation required to prosecute already exists?
March 6, 20179 yr I'm not sure that this is relevant to electric bikes though. Pedelecs are already regulated - their status and usage being defined in law quite clearly. Illegal electric bikes are classed as a moped/motorcycle by law, so any judgement against them will be made on the basis of riding an uninsured, untaxed and unlicensed moped/motorcycle. I guess that all electric bikes could be banned outright in the future, but when you consider how cars are regularly misused and not banned, can you ever see this happening to pedelecs? No, me neither. Plenty of people have removed/blocked off the DPF on their older diesel car - now its illegal to drive (although I imagine most won't be aware of that) The m1 north from where I live looks like it might become 60mph. Govt won't ban cars (at least not until they've cracked self driving ones), just like they won't ban smoking or drinking due to the revenue it brings in. But it could introduce further limits on cycling. What would any of those (unlikely) measures achieve when the legislation required to prosecute already exists? They could force all electric assisted bikes to have insurance, or riders must have a licence, ban imports of motors capable of producing 251w or more. As with my example of quadcopters we're already banned from going more than 120m up and line of sight out (despite FPV and range of 2 miles), and we might have to register our drones and carry a serial code if it's over 250g, and get a proper flight licence costing thousands of we want to fly something approaching decent and generally kill off the industry. Will it stop the people who fly over airports or over groups of people? No, will just affect those who follow the rules. It will be just a matter of time.
March 6, 20179 yr Plenty of people have removed/blocked off the DPF on their older diesel car - now its illegal to drive (although I imagine most won't be aware of that) The m1 north from where I live looks like it might become 60mph. Govt won't ban cars (at least not until they've cracked self driving ones), just like they won't ban smoking or drinking due to the revenue it brings in. But it could introduce further limits on cycling. They could force all electric assisted bikes to have insurance, or riders must have a licence, ban imports of motors capable of producing 251w or more. As with my example of quadcopters we're already banned from going more than 120m up and line of sight out (despite FPV and range of 2 miles), and we might have to register our drones and carry a serial code if it's over 250g, and get a proper flight licence costing thousands of we want to fly something approaching decent and generally kill off the industry. Will it stop the people who fly over airports or over groups of people? No, will just affect those who follow the rules. It will be just a matter of time. I might just be really thick, but I still can't see how any of that will help, or affect how offenders are prosecuted. Again, if somebody is riding an illegal bike either now, or following any changes to EAPC laws, they will be prosecuted as a motorcycle, NOT a bike. I can foresee a change to the law where compliance becomes a revenue generator, but this will be the only real reason for it, not because it actually affects public safety.
March 6, 20179 yr Police a few years clamped down on widespread nuisance illegal mini-motos - seizing and crushing them with abandon. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/4502212.stm Wether you agree or not simply change mini-moto to s-pedelec in this press release http://www.dianajohnson.co.uk/node/314 to see what can be unleashed. Thankfully what saves the situation so far is the quietness of electric bikes, difficult to differenciate, and that they are relatively expensive, keeping them out the hands of yoofs. Edited March 6, 20179 yr by Wicky
March 6, 20179 yr Police a few years clamped down on widespread nuisance illegal mini-motos - seizing and crushing them with abandon. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/4502212.stm Wether you agree or not simply change minti-moto to s-pedelec in this Press release http://www.dianajohnson.co.uk/node/314 Thankfully what saves the situation so far is the quietness of electric bikes, and that they are relatively expensive, keeping them out the hands of yoofs. Completely agree with that, but it doesn't affect legal EAPC usage.
March 6, 20179 yr The Rc restrictions are there now to cover all aspects of flying the introduction and wide spread availability of drones and the perves with their airbourne peeping cams.
March 6, 20179 yr skill, its a rc missile and you can buy all the bits from here. http://alshobbies.com/ its a 4-5k build mind as the jet motors are not cheap but you could stick it on ur bike pmsl.
March 6, 20179 yr Possibly before the weekend the way I'm feeling Aahg don't be like that ... But if you do, bags your recomb!
March 7, 20179 yr Thankfully what saves the situation so far is the quietness of electric bikes, difficult to differenciate, and that they are relatively expensive, keeping them out the hands of yoofs. Don't be so sure! I saw a yoof hooning around on a Haibike last week.
March 7, 20179 yr Don't be so sure! I saw a yoof hooning around on a Haibike last week. Two letters nearly tx?
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