August 30, 20187 yr I'd like to see ASBO's given out to cyclists (and runners!) who don't respect pedestrians as, fundamentally, it is an antisocial behaviour, but that's not sufficient in cases like the one above Drivers behaviour witn pedestrians needs to improve too. Too often they are thoughtless when with a little consideration they could make pedestrians lives much more pleasant. Such things as, when it's safe, letting pedestrians have precedence at junctions, stopping within a long stream of slow moving traffic to let pedestrians cross when it's obvious they've been waiting ages, stopping for the vulnerable even when there isn't a crossing and it's safe to do so. A right of way doesn't make exercising it morally right. .
August 30, 20187 yr Drivers behaviour witn pedestrians needs to improve too. Too often they are thoughtless when with a little consideration they could make pedestrians lives much more pleasant. Such things as, when it's safe, letting pedestrians have precedence at junctions, stopping within a long stream of slow moving traffic to let pedestrians cross when it's obvious they've been waiting ages, stopping for the vulnerable even when there isn't a crossing and it's safe to do so. A right of way doesn't make exercising it morally right. . Sounds remarkably like Canada to me!!
August 30, 20187 yr The speculation is the rider ran a red light, time will tell and will be a major factor in any court case. This is a bit of a bug bear with me as why do cyclists/riders to this !!! Today riding out of Ovingdean out Brighton & Hove way, I stopped at red lights a busy 4 way junction this afternoon and a lady cyclist blatantly just rode across after waitting for a gap in the traffic from the right and did the same for the traffic coming from the left. It appears they either don't think stop signals apply to cyclists or are just having a Charles Bronson moment. Edited August 31, 20187 yr by Nealh
August 30, 20187 yr Author The speculation is the rider ran a red light, time will tell and will be a major factor in any court case. It's now been reported that the injured pedestrian ran into the road and that the light for the bicyclist was green.
August 31, 20187 yr It's now been reported that the injured pedestrian ran into the road and that the light for the bicyclist was green.Wonder why he ran away then! Intersting how the assumption was that he ran the red light.
August 31, 20187 yr Wonder why he ran away then! Intersting how the assumption was that he ran the red light. May be the Alston case/verdict was on his mind moments after the crash ? It was someone I believe at the scene who said this.
August 31, 20187 yr It's now been reported that the injured pedestrian ran into the road and that the light for the bicyclist was green. If this is so then he had no reason to flee unless he had another reason.
August 31, 20187 yr If this is so then he had no reason to flee unless he had another reason. Won't necessarily have a 'reason'. People react differently to different situations and it's all to easy to sit at a keyboard, analyse and give opinions. Fortunately few of us have been in a similar situation to the rider in this case and none in exactly the same situation.
August 31, 20187 yr CCTV footage:- https://www.thesun.co.uk/video/news/cctv-of-dalston-hit-and-run-bike-crash-shows-moment-woman-crossing-road-gets-struck-by-cyclist-on-electric-bicycle/
August 31, 20187 yr CCTV footage:- https://www.thesun.co.uk/video/news/cctv-of-dalston-hit-and-run-bike-crash-shows-moment-woman-crossing-road-gets-struck-by-cyclist-on-electric-bicycle/He wasn't even near the kerb!
August 31, 20187 yr CCTV footage:- https://www.thesun.co.uk/video/news/cctv-of-dalston-hit-and-run-bike-crash-shows-moment-woman-crossing-road-gets-struck-by-cyclist-on-electric-bicycle/ All the traffic was moving and she made a dash for it and lost So why wasn’t the heading “Woman takes out cyclist on electric bike “ Funny it’s never the pedestrians fault in an accident
August 31, 20187 yr Altho it's hard to judge he didn't appear to be going especially fast She did Sprinting across the road in front of him
August 31, 20187 yr She did Sprinting across the road in front of him Now the video shows how clearly she was at fault and the cyclist's speed reasonable, the police will have little option but to drop the "Furious driving charge". I doubt they could make it stick. It's just a pity he ran off without reporting an accident leading to third party injury, since that is a serious offence. .
August 31, 20187 yr What the footage does show is little or no scant concern for the lady laying in crumpled heap in the road, the guy was more bothered about his buckled/bent front wheel. Had he stayed put offered help showing a degree of concern then there most likely would have been no case to answer following an investigation.
August 31, 20187 yr Won't necessarily have a 'reason'. People react differently to different situations and it's all to easy to sit at a keyboard, analyse and give opinions. Fortunately few of us have been in a similar situation to the rider in this case and none in exactly the same situation. Very true, and sadly for me, I was put in a similar situation in my teen years whilst riding a motorcycle. I hit a pedestrian and pretty much broke every bone in her body, and in trying to avoid her, hit two cars that were coming in the opposite direction. I ended up on a pavement somehow having stayed on the bike. My first split second reaction was to run, not least because of the crowds of people that suddenly seemed to appear. I didn't and instead just dropped the motorcycle and ran to help. I truly don't know if I would have handled things differently, had it not been for the fact that my best friend at the time, had been killed by a hit and run driver just months previously. It was the recollection of that, and the impact of what followed, that rooted me to the ground. I have had to deal with the fact that I was involved in an accident that basically killed someone, and had I ran, I know that I couldn't have dealt with it. A clear conscience is bad enough. I was found not to be guilty of any offence as the pedestrian had been drinking and stepped out from nowhere. It was still over five years of hell for me and I'd dearly love to be able to turn back the clock, or even swap places with the pedestrian. I have pretty much spent my whole life since, stupidly punishing myself, and it has has only been the last few that I came to the conclusion of why? Edited August 31, 20187 yr by EddiePJ
August 31, 20187 yr Let's not forget that this man was caused to sustain a head injury. That he is the innocent party in this collision. Who knows what he was thinking, feeling, hallucinating at the time. Perhaps he was rushing to the hospital. Clearly there would have been shock.. Not guilty.
August 31, 20187 yr My first split second reaction was to run, .... Exactly! It's the classic fight-or-flight response. Adrenalin pumping, possibly hurt, perceived danger, physiological and physchological stress. Yes we all know that the individual in the present case should have stayed and assisted the poor lady (as EddiePJ did in his incident) but NONE of us can guarantee that we would do so.
August 31, 20187 yr What the footage does show is little or no scant concern for the lady laying in crumpled heap in the road, the guy was more bothered about his buckled/bent front wheel. Had he stayed put offered help showing a degree of concern then there most likely would have been no case to answer following an investigation. Panic does cause irrational reactions though and there are numerous instances of innocent people fleeing such incidents. The more serious the accident, the more likely it is to induce panic. He did hand himself in to the police later once he resumed thinking rationally. .
August 31, 20187 yr As for running away after a accident, a mate of mine crashed his motorbike through a fence, got up and ran off (Bike was all legal) we had to chase him to catch him and when we asked him why he had run off he didn't know. The thing was it turned out he was very seriously injured and spent 6 weeks in hospital.
August 31, 20187 yr Agree with all the above, do we know if the Ebike was legal? as that will make a difference.
August 31, 20187 yr Shock does strange things to ones reasoning power, as said, people often wander of from accident scenes when injured. It almost looks as though the woman tries to commit suicide by cyclist, the way she accelerates. It will be a grave miscarriage of justice if this chap gets charged with anything other than failing to report an accident.
August 31, 20187 yr ....... charged with anything other than failing to report an accident.Don't think an EAPC falls within the definition of a "mechanically propelled vehicle" for the requirement under S170 RTA 1988. Edited August 31, 20187 yr by Wander
August 31, 20187 yr The bike has been named as a Specialised, let's hope it wasn't an unregistered S class Turbo Vado...
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