February 1, 20206 yr Author But road speed limits don't apply to non electrically assisted bikes. What's your point? That's my point
February 3, 20206 yr Author 25mph is 67% over the legal assisted speed. 10% is OK, 67% way too much. Nobody stops you riding at 25mph on your own steam, on main roads or cycle tracks, just that your EAPC motor has to be off when over 16mph. I can do 25mph on leg power...... thats fine...... but 25mph on leg and electric.... thats way too fast!?!?!??! See I had to stop riding my bike to work when my missus got a new job that meant i didn't have time to cycle to work, If i got a 15.5 mph legal bike i could take it 1 day a week and I would have to leave 1 hour earlier. With the 750w motor I can do 5 days a week. So for me it's either a slightly faster than legal ebike or the car. Oh and you can't say 10% over is ok. The rule is 15.5 mph, if you think 15.5mph + 10% is ok then you don't agree with the rule.
February 3, 20206 yr if you need to go over the assisted speed limit using the motor, you can take your bike for an SVA, pay the fees and get a number plate. Your bike will be checked to see if it's safe for up to 28mph. the 10% is the usual tolerance, I am sure you are already aware of these things as you said you work in the legal sector.
February 3, 20206 yr Are we absolutely sure about the 10% tolerance still being applicable? From local reports (West Wales) it seems motorists are being prosecuted in absolute terms. So someone doing 32 in a 30 limit is fined and points added.
February 3, 20206 yr Author Are we absolutely sure about the 10% tolerance still being applicable? From local reports (West Wales) it seems motorists are being prosecuted in absolute terms. So someone doing 32 in a 30 limit is fined and points added. For normal police its usually 10% + 2mph, if it's the traffic cops (white hats instead of black) then they are way more likely to give you a ticket for 31 in a 30. if you need to go over the assisted speed limit using the motor, you can take your bike for an SVA, pay the fees and get a number plate. Your bike will be checked to see if it's safe for up to 28mph. the 10% is the usual tolerance, I am sure you are already aware of these things as you said you work in the legal sector. I could do that, then would I be legal? No, theres still more hoops to go through. And lets not get started on trying to insure the thing, because as it's just been lumbered into existing legislation instead of having it's own, most insurance companies won't touch you. I joined here years ago and stopped coming because of all the emotor "letter of the law" nazis, I thought after all this time it might have changed. I was merely asking about a decent hub motor kit, I was open in my disregard of the current rules, but got loads of hassle. I care less about the rules and more about responsible riding and bike uptake. May you all have a nice day. I'm going to leave again as I just don't want to cause hassle. Edited February 4, 20206 yr by SexyHyde
February 3, 20206 yr You'll need to go elsewhere if you're looking for support in breaking the law. Bye.
February 4, 20206 yr Author You'll need to go elsewhere if you're looking for support in breaking the law. Bye. Enjoy the rules you adhere to and the suppression those rules have on ebiking and its uptake. Just because it's the law, doesn't mean it's right. Being gay was against the law. https://www.thefactsite.com/funny-laws-in-uk/ it's ok to kill a Scotsman (under certain circumstances), but don't beat a rug in the street after 8am or its the pokey for you. Most rules and laws that get changed, are changed because the majority of people ignore them, they are not changed by waiting for them to be changed. Some rules and laws are just ridiculous and don't get enforced and people forget the rule and law even exists. *this post is for context - I don't have a blatant disregard for the law*
February 4, 20206 yr Most rules and laws that get changed, are changed because the majority of people ignore them, they are not changed by waiting for them to be changed. that happens from time to time. What you want is the same as driving through a deserted street at 50mph in a 30mph zone and not expecting to be Gatso'ed.
February 4, 20206 yr SH is looking for a dystopian world like Madmax where there are little or no laws.
February 5, 20206 yr Author that happens from time to time. What you want is the same as driving through a deserted street at 50mph in a 30mph zone and not expecting to be Gatso'ed. No it isn't, I regularly drive at 20mph in 30mph zones, i also drive at 35-40 in some 30mph zones. I know the rules on ebikes that go over 15.5mph are not appropriate. The fact that you think all you have to do is get an ebike SVA tested shows you don't actually know jack shit. If anything you're the type of guys that would commit crimes against humanity, then say "I was just following orders", at your trial. Edited February 5, 20206 yr by SexyHyde
February 5, 20206 yr The fact that you think all you have to do is get an ebike SVA tested shows you don't actually know jack ****. Warrah got his 60mph capable e-bike through SVA: https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/pagan-electric-bike-60mph-fully-road-legal.22286/ If you only want yo go up to 28mph, you don't need to do as much for your bike. Read flecc's post 5 years ago. https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/vosa-individual-vehicle-approval-for-electric-bike.22392/#post-280036 You can also buy ready made electric motorbikes, the vendor will get it readily registered for you. Edited February 5, 20206 yr by Woosh
February 5, 20206 yr Author I know what needs doing, I don't think it's worth it for something that's I'm going to restrict way down, as I don't want to run the motor much over 60%, for longevity. I made this clear, but you all got your knickers in a twist like I was some crazy anarchist wanting to see what happens when you hit an oap at 100mph. Enjoy the current regulations and I'll be back when they get changed. Or I'll be in jail and you'll all be able to tell me you were right. Although having spoken to the local plod and my background I don't think I have much to worry about. Enjoy your high horses!
February 5, 20206 yr you've got the BBS02 before, so you know how easy it is to change the speed limit in your kit. The simple way not to kill your BBS02 is to always keep the revs above 60 RPM. The BBS02 itself is very durable.
February 5, 20206 yr Enjoy the current regulations and I'll be back when they get changed. Still here, I thought you were going. Bye.
February 5, 20206 yr Author you've got the BBS02 before, so you know how easy it is to change the speed limit in your kit. The simple way not to kill your BBS02 is to always keep the revs above 60 RPM. The BBS02 itself is very durable. I wouldn't say it was durable, I would say it runs way too close to its max capable limit. We know they used extremely cheap caps on the original controller and they have used cheap caps on the upgraded version. This is somewhat proven by people upgrading the caps which involves removing the potting compound which isn't exactly an easy thing to do. There's also a healthy market for replacement controllers, this says an awful lot. But maybe I'm not seeing it properly with my blurred vision from riding at the speed of light on my two wheeled granny spearer. /sarcasm
February 5, 20206 yr I stopped selling the 36V BBS02B 3 years ago, partly because we don't want people derestricting their bikes and get us to fix their motors. We had something like 5 dead BBS02 controllers against one BBS01. That's also why we are reticent to sell components on their own, we just could not be sure what batteries people pair their motors with. The 48V version BBS02 is even more prone to overheating. The 350W 48V 15A BBS02 was OK. For 48V systems, I like the TSDZ2 better. You can't destroy a torque sensor motor so easily, whereas you may just push on the throttle when faced with a steep gradient, you instinctively react rightly with the TSDZ2 by shifting your gear.
February 6, 20206 yr Author I stopped selling the 36V BBS02B 3 years ago, partly because we don't want people derestricting their bikes and get us to fix their motors. We had something like 5 dead BBS02 controllers against one BBS01. That's also why we are reticent to sell components on their own, we just could not be sure what batteries people pair their motors with. The 48V version BBS02 is even more prone to overheating. The 350W 48V 15A BBS02 was OK. For 48V systems, I like the TSDZ2 better. You can't destroy a torque sensor motor so easily, whereas you may just push on the throttle when faced with a steep gradient, you instinctively react rightly with the TSDZ2 by shifting your gear. well most of the 250w stuff we get is 350w thats rebadged anyway, just like all the shimano, brose and bosch motors are all ~600w and badged and limited to 250w. I figured the 500w bafang hub motor would suffice, but there is just so much choice in the hub market and no one seems to recommend bafang hub motors. It's a shame hub motors get trashed so much and everyone rates the bafang mid drives, from what I saw when doing my research and even now doing research on the controllers. I've ordered a new controller for the bbs02 and i'll limit the amps to 18A and see how I get on, but I think I might just pass the bafang kit on (my dads after a kit for fair weather usage) and get a hub kit for myself. I might be really handy when it comes to repair and maintenance but that doesn't mean I want to be doing it all the time.
February 6, 20206 yr Author Still here, I thought you were going. Bye. Turns out this forum isn't too bad with you set to ignore.
February 6, 20206 yr Turns out this forum isn't too bad with you set to ignore. Good job you don't see my messages then eh? DUH.
February 7, 20206 yr To the OP, I’d stick with the bbs02. Replace with an external controller - you can use this for a hub solution if you change your mind later upgrade your gears to a 9 speed XTR shifter, optislick cables. Set up with a tight derailler, your gear changes even under load will be smooth
February 8, 20206 yr Author To the OP, I’d stick with the bbs02. Replace with an external controller - you can use this for a hub solution if you change your mind later upgrade your gears to a 9 speed XTR shifter, optislick cables. Set up with a tight derailler, your gear changes even under load will be smooth I thought about an external controller, but the pain of going from an integrated set up controller to getting an external controller fitted and waterproofed just seems like way more hassle, and it removes any sort of selling on potential with the BBS02. I can get smooth gear changes with my sram gear for a whike, but it's keeping them that is the problem, my shimano stuff had to go as I could just never get it smooth for any amount of time.
February 8, 20206 yr i have to index my gears alot to keep them running smooth all the time if not it does my head in as it dont like slamming through the gears going 30mph+ it is mostly the b screw on my xx1 that gets loose but lock tight does help but wont hold it forever.
February 8, 20206 yr I can get smooth gear changes with my sram gear for a whike, but it's keeping them that is the problem, my shimano stuff had to go as I could just never get it smooth for any amount of time. a gear shift sensor will help. I prefer my 48V TSDZ2 to the BBSes.
February 8, 20206 yr I thought about an external controller, but the pain of going from an integrated set up controller to getting an external controller fitted and waterproofed just seems like way more hassle, and it removes any sort of selling on potential with the BBS02. I can get smooth gear changes with my sram gear for a whike, but it's keeping them that is the problem, my shimano stuff had to go as I could just never get it smooth for any amount of time. Keep your busted controller as a side cover - it’s good for waterproofing if nothing else. You get the chance to hollow out the guts of the controller too, which is a cathartic experience External controller placement is a problem - I use a hailong downtube battery that allows a controller to be installed within in the battery holder, avoiding water ingress problems.
February 12, 20206 yr Author a gear shift sensor will help. I prefer my 48V TSDZ2 to the BBSes. I have and use a gear sensor. I think it's just the fact that derailleurs are not made for torque electric motors and legs put through them.
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