15A. If there is a configurator, someone is going to push it to 20A.

 

What would be the harm in that? You supply good quality batteries. Profit selling new controllers to buyers of that bike when they fail years out of warranty. Buyers of a bike which looks so similar to a Haibike would be royally cheesed off if it wasn't as powerful - an irrational expectation given this bike's pricetag of couse, but even so. My 20" wheeler with BBS01B at 15A and a 52T chainwheel provides rapid acceleration to highest legal speed on the flats, as well as excellent steep hill climbing ability, even when towing heavy bicycle trailers. And it's even better at 18A - buyers of a bike which looks so similar to a Haibike will expect similar performance at the very least. IMHO 15A is too low. 24A at least, and it'll be a beast. Get Ananda to fiddle firmware at the factory, you'll sell more and buyers won't feel let down.

 

How does it cope with this hill in Southend?

 

https://www.strava.com/segments/4050652?hl=en-GB

 

 

What's it's maximum fat weight capacity? Can I recommend your legal bike to rapid fatso? Ebike makers should cater to fat people; futureproof for the increasingly important rapidly inflating ever more blubberous grim wobbly and a bit whiffy proportion of the ebike buying population.

 

 

Edited November 1, 20232 yr by guerney

How heavy ?

How heavy ?

24kgs

A couple of points about the bike [mention=6303]Woosh[/mention] if I may please?

• The Torque Sensing system is a great choice vs cadence sensing IMHO
  
• The mudguards front and back really aren't great from an aesthetic point of view and don't extend far enough either on the rear or front to give adequate splash protection.
  
• The rack - there's a growing tendancy for racks not to have seat stay connection points but to be connected to the rear mudguard instead which I would hazard to guess that load carrying capacity is consequently reduced, unless of course the mudguards are so heavy duty for that not to be an issue?
  
• And the rack tubing - hopefully the tubing size is OK for standard pannier attachment systems from the likes of Ortleib et al?
  
• Colour - hmmm, matt black by any other name - I take your point(s) about that but for me I'd just walk away from the bike despite it's many excellent points, especially the price point. Even alloy wheel rims/hubs and steel spokes and something like alloy coloured SKS mudguards would brighten things up - but that's all a personal preference thing.
  
• Is the battery removable for charging is the BMS technology such that re-celling won't be an issue like it is with recent generation Bosch systems for instance?
  

All the above are just picky points for what looks to be an excellent bike whose sales will I'm sure be good.

I assume it is an ADVERT !

What's it's maximum fat weight capacity? Can I recommend your legal bike to rapid fatso? Ebike makers should cater to fat people; futureproof for the increasingly important rapidly inflating ever more blubberous grim wobbly and a bit whiffy proportion of the ebike buying population.

most of my customers are 'traditionally built' anyway. So I have chosen one of the strongest frames, look at the thickness of the toptube.

It should cope with 25st riders. One good thing about going with a crank motor is that the stress on the rear spokes are much reduced compared to a rear hub kit like the DWG22C. I expect the new bike will be more comfortable and also won't break rear spokes.

What would be the harm in that? You supply good quality batteries. Profit selling new controllers to buyers of that bike when they fail years out of warranty. Buyers of a bike which looks so similar to a Haibike would be royally cheesed off if it wasn't as powerful - an irrational expectation given this bike's pricetag of couse, but even so. My 20" wheeler with BBS01B at 15A and a 52T chainwheel provides rapid acceleration to highest legal speed on the flats, as well as excellent steep hill climbing ability, even when towing heavy bicycle trailers.

The battery is 48V so the motor should have a 30% wider range of power compared to 36V. 48V 10A continuous, 15A max should be enough to climb hills. If you push to 20A, the bike's derestricted speed on flat roads would be 30mph, not something I would want to make.

I assume it is an ADVERT !

agreed, I am allowed to advertise being a trade member. It's important to collect opinions so if any change is found desirable, I can still make it before commiting to production run.

Specific mid mount frame , and internal battery.

Battery has Bafang form factor so you can find replacements on the net.

They gave me a 48V 15AH on the sample, I paid only for a 48V 10AH.

 

For me charging on bike is no go as it means I have to trail a lead .

Also as I use my bikes for almost everything bar carrying 4.2m lengths of wood or plaster board /very awkward stuff , I prefer a very secure and strong fixed pannier rack that will take 30kg.

My bikes are not only a recreation bike but also a tool for doing a job.

 

I think what ever you end up with it will sell esp on price point as you have been in the game long enough to know your market /customers. The mid drive will appeal to a lot of buyers who know little about bikes as they will see other big brands only offering mid drive.

However for a local run around or town bike I don't see the appeal for a mid drive , but that matters not as in your range line up there are other good hub motor bikes that are better for the job.

Edited November 1, 20232 yr by Nealh

For me charging on bike is no go as it means I have to trail a lead .

I posted the picture of the battery. It is removeable. The frame has the normal lock and keys.

I prefer a very secure and strong fixed pannier rack that will take 30kg.

I don't know yet the load rating of this type of racks. I think it's no worse than the usual racks with rods attached to the seat stays. The seat stay rods are not load bearing anyway.

Edited November 1, 20232 yr by Woosh

Sounds good value especially since mudguards and rack are already installed.

 

Side by side reviews of the quality of the torque sensor implementation against Shimano, Bosch, Yamaha would be interesting to read.

I have a Woosh Gran Camino, and I love the matt black paint. If I want to add colour, I can mask a bit off and spray it or add some vinyl covering or other accessories.

 

With this new bike, I also share concerns about the rack - it just looks like it would tip backwards/forwards quite easily depending on where the weight is. Is it just the bolt torque that is keeping it from moving?

 

The rear mud guard looks fine, but front one looks like there's too much space between the tyre.

 

I also like that the kickstand is further back so it doesn't collide with the pedals (like it does on my Gran Camino).

 

The final thing for me is a minor point, but I think a bit of cable wrap would really tidy up the front cables.

 

Overall it looks great

With this new bike, I also share concerns about the rack - it just looks like it would tip backwards/forwards quite easily depending on where the weight is. Is it just the bolt torque that is keeping it from moving?

it's also bolted to the rear mudguard.

it's also bolted to the rear mudguard.

 

Perfect!

I prefer a very secure and strong fixed pannier rack that will take 30kg.

 

I'm with Neale on racks needing to have a large range of utility uses, so I don't like the trend for attaching racks onto mudguards. Both the Giant Lafree and Ezee Quando I owned at one time had the identical very sensible rack. The best features were:

 

So strong, it once even carried a big old 32" CRT TV for recycling and on both bikes my car-style central rear towball was attached to the carrier frame to tow my large trailer, not the bike.

 

For and aft levelling adjustment.

 

Rear support for pannier bags to hold them clear of wheel etc.

 

Adequate pedalling to pannier clearance.

 

Rear support for pannier bags to hold them clear of wheel etc.

I never know why so few racks have that.

The battery is 48V so the motor should have a 30% wider range of power compared to 36V. 48V 10A continuous, 15A max should be enough to climb hills. If you push to 20A, the bike's derestricted speed on flat roads would be 30mph, not something I would want to make.

 

Hai sell Haibikes despite the fact that Bosch motors can be derestricted to go faster than 30mph - why allow what a buyer might choose to do with your products, influence what you make? If your bike can cope with 20A 48V reliably, it'd suit a variety of uses including towing of very heavy cargo trailers, and easy ascents of extreme inclines for large people who might otherwise have bought a 5Kw Sur-ron. Where would the highly profitable British arms industry be if they thought like that? The FT newspaper is exactly the right size and weight for deadly Silat stick fighting, there are at least 21 ways to kill someone using a credit card, including by stealing to cause a heart attack by suddenly massively exceeding the card owner's spending limit etc. etc.

Edited November 1, 20232 yr by guerney

I don't know yet the load rating of this type of racks. I think it's no worse than the usual racks with rods attached to the seat stays. The seat stay rods are not load bearing anyway.

When the rack is loaded the seat stay rods transmit (on braking) the forward momentum into the bike frame. Without the rods and when connected through the mudguard, it is this that takes what could be a fairly large force when the rack plus panniers are loaded.

 

My friend paid £5k for his e-bike and had a similar rack mounting and even though he'd only lightly loaded it, the mudguard snapped at the rack fixing point. Having said that the general build of your bike looks more substantial than his (can't remember the brand now) and I've raised this point in other forums/postings and owners have not had issues.

 

As one who does sometimes carry hefty loads in panniers, I'd not be confident in a mudguard fixing point without further feedback from other users as to it's suitability for such tasks. Time will tell eh?

why allow what a buyer might choose to do with your products, influence what you make?

 

Because what buyers do reflect on sellers reputation. Imagine set of council flats on fire or kid killed on lamp post after doing 40mph on bike sold by Woosh. It is bad PR.

 

I would do the same if I was selling bikes or kits.

Because what buyers do reflect on sellers reputation. Imagine set of council flats on fire or kid killed on lamp post after doing 40mph on bike sold by Woosh. It is bad PR.

 

The news outlets are averse to mentioning ebike brand names when there's a fire, they've been omitted every time from every recent report.

Edited November 1, 20232 yr by guerney

The news outlets are averse to mentioning ebike brand names when there's a fire, they're omitted every time.

 

Try to put yourself in seller shoes. Would you want it on your conscience? Even if name of company won't be mentioned?

 

Also there is most likely case scenario: Guy sets motor for 20A, burns it down, then sends it back to be replaced under warranty.

I can't for one moment imagine why a trader with the fantastic reputation that [mention=6303]Woosh[/mention] bikes has would lend even the merest thought to selling e-bikes that would not conform to EN 15194.

 

And whilst not to everyone's tastes, good on Woosh bikes for their compliance with Pedelec law.

My first thought was (so shoot me) At last adequate mud clearance at one end anyway. As a hybrid with above average off-road ability, a great mix, mud looks like the first limitation, long before the sensible fork complains.

 

Cargo carrying seems to be surging in popularity and Flecc's nailed what a rack needs to do. It's good to see two tier rails, and sometimes there's a steel strap under the mudguard joining the rack to the seatstay bridge, but it doesn't adjust. It's styled as tough so genuine utility's essential.

 

As ever the deal breaker is "Can the battery be recelled or substituted if replacements are unavailable?"

As ever the deal breaker is "Can the battery be recelled or substituted if replacements are unavailable?"

yes. The battery uses a popular format from Bafang.

Do you like the front mudguard fix?