There are many applications where the standard, legal e-bike is perfect. I don't understand the last paragraph where you give your advice.

 

As I've said, assisted cycling is a failed concept, not an opinion but fact for legal assisted bikes.

 

The concept is assistance for those who can no longer always cycle for various reasons. One of the most common limitations is inability to keep pedalling continuously for a variety of reasons, but since EAPC power is immediately cut when pedalling stops, the concept then becomes a failure at the outset.

 

That's why so many feel the need to break the law with free acting throttles etc.

 

While I agree about light motorcycles, modern i.c. mopeds are far more reliable than EAPCs in general over time and mileages, there really is no comparison.

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The reason people love our 100% legal full throttle ebikes is they are still ridable as a bicycle or EAPC if the customer so wishes. This is not possible on a full blown moped, riding a moped without power would be a nightmare if not impossible.

 

I understand that full throttle light weight ebikes are a niche within a niche, however people buy them and enjoy the freedom a light weight full throttle ebike gives them.

 

All the best, David

What would be handy to know is mileage life expectancy on various bikes. For example, your 20-30,000 miles on hub motor bikes: how many miles on a single bike is more useful to know.

 

I remember reading, and memory might be flawed, of a requirement to replace hub motor bearings after each 4,000km! I assume that is not so for most motors? Because that would be every 8 months for me.

 

On the mid-drive vs hub 'debate', personally I would say it might be beneficial to just tweak the tone a bit, as I can see people getting unnecessarily upset. That can't be good for forum numbers.

The typical cheap hub-motors last virtually forever. IIRC, they test them to 30,000 km at Bafang. Like many crank-motors, they can fail early due to abuse and/or external circumstances. I like to test things, so I do change my bikes and motors regularly. My Q128 has done about 6,000 miles. I did about 3,500 miles on the Xiongda 2-speed, about 5,000 each on Bafang BPM and CST.

 

Reasons for failure are:

1. Left out in all weather. That affects crank motors equally.

2. Installed upside down after puncture can let water in down the cable on some of the cheaper ones.

3. Cable not plugged in fat enough causes the motor to overheat and cook the halls.

4. Damaged cable after an accident or other abuse.

 

The bearings don't actually wear out. Instead, they get water in them and rust. Likewise the gears are pretty well bullet proof. Very rare failures are caused by another problem somewhere, like rust, not wear. Finally, there are a few freehub failures, but nothing compared with the number failed with crank motors, and generally cheaper. In fact, you can probably buy a complete new motor cheaper than you can buy a typical Haibike freehub.

My Bafang CST has 8000 miles on it.

BPM over 2000 miles but stopped using it in preference for a rear hub .

Both AKM 128C and original Yose hub from several years ago all have plenty of mileage on them but for now are simply not used at the mo.

Bafang G370 front hub hasn't missed a beat in its pretty much contiuall usage in the last three years.

I don't know - maybe I'm just a simpleton - but where there are lots of lengthy and severe hills to climb, it seems unremarkable that a mid drive is likely the way to go, because you get to use the gears to let the motor work always at its optimum and efficient motor speed. In the flatter lands, you probably have no need of that, and a hub motor will be absolutely great.

 

Why it has got to some sort of conflict zone on here is a bit bewildering.

The reason people love our 100% legal full throttle ebikes is they are still ridable as a bicycle or EAPC if the customer so wishes. This is not possible on a full blown moped, riding a moped without power would be a nightmare if not impossible.

 

I understand that full throttle light weight ebikes are a niche within a niche, however people buy them and enjoy the freedom a light weight full throttle ebike gives them.

 

All the best, David

That's right. When you have a full-range throttle, you can use it or not. Sometimes, it's very handy, even if you don't want to use it. If I had a choice, I'd always have one because there's no downside to it. It's the same as motor assistance, where some people are happy to ride around without switching it on.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75z9925lelo

The timing is pretty unfortunate as sales in 2024 were frankly quite bad but I actually agree with the decision of lifting anti dumping duty and return to where things were.

Interesting... Do you anticipate that prices remaining depressed will in the long term help sales pick up and snowball at last?

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you pay cgt on bars tho

Interesting... Do you anticipate that prices remaining depressed will in the long term help sales pick up and snowball at last?

The lifting of anti-dumping duty will certainly help sales in long term.

The lifting of anti-dumping duty will certainly help sales in long term.

 

Yes of course. But what about the many 1000’s of bikes that are already built and on the market? One day’s notice was not enough time to sell them through. A real kick in the teeth for all the small uk firms that have stock.

 

All the best, David

Yes of course. But what about the many 1000’s of bikes that are already built and on the market? One day’s notice was not enough time to sell them through. A real kick in the teeth for all the small uk firms that have stock.

 

All the best, David

Agreed. I have the same problem with inventory although at much smaller scale.