I got some of these from ebay a while back. They seem to stay on and have done some miles both on a hub motor and on the frame of a converted Specialised bike with a crank motor.

 

 

I recognise there is an element of fraud in sticking an ebay label on your bike, but in my case I know for absolute certain that the bikes I own absolutely meet the spirit of the law except in the new interest in labelling which some police forces are now displaying. It is my view that that regulation about labels applies to manufactured bikes and was not applicable to conversions.

 

As far as some enforcement we have seen it is not possible to have a long ago done conversion which in every way other than a label, meets the rules on power, maximum assisted speed and the necessity to pedal the bike.

Isn't the motor manufacturer supposed to feature on the label too?

 

Spotted this Attestation of Compliance for the BBS01, even has the right EN number.

 

 

 

https://static.webshopapp.com/shops/044915/files/083778110/coc36vmm.pdf

 

 

I was sent the attached PDFs by the seller of my kit, which might be of interest or use, to the elite and most excellent Bafangers among us in particular, the ones with awesome mid-drive motors vastly superior in every way, towering above the puny and pitiful chaff.

 

EMC Test Report

Attestation of Conformity Bafang BBS01B Part 1.pdf

 

Attestation of Conformity Bafang BBS01B Part 2.pdf

 

 

Open the PDFs sandboxed, if you're as suspicious of PDF files as I am:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandboxie

 

https://sandboxie-plus.com/

Bafang BBS01 Attestation of compliance EN15194.pdf

Attestation of Conformity Bafang BBS01B Part 2.pdf

Attestation of Conformity Bafang BBS01B Part 1.pdf

Edited April 26, 20251 yr by guerney

I got some of these from ebay a while back. They seem to stay on and have done some miles both on a hub motor and on the frame of a converted Specialised bike with a crank motor.

 

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I recognise there is an element of fraud in sticking an ebay label on your bike, but in my case I know for absolute certain that the bikes I own absolutely meet the spirit of the law except in the new interest in labelling which some police forces are now displaying. It is my view that that regulation about labels applies to manufactured bikes and was not applicable to conversions.

 

As far as some enforcement we have seen it is not possible to have a long ago done conversion which in every way other than a label, meets the rules on power, maximum assisted speed and the necessity to pedal the bike.

Even that rather professional looking attempt has the same spelling mistake!

Even that rather professional looking attempt has the same spelling mistake!

Well spotted, but I suppose there are two mitigating factors: People probably expect that Chinese manufacturer paperwork is often in 'Chinglish' and the average copper on a wet day examining e-bikes in a town centre is unlikely to actually notice the spelling of the word 'standard'. To be fair, the labels like the rest of my bikes are likely to be spattered with muck, even though I don't ride them anything like as much as you ride yours.

Isn't the motor manufacturer supposed to feature on the label too?

 

*sigh* OK I made this label too:

 

Also corrected the EN number:

 

I have been experimenting with printing on glossy photo paper, results are not too shabby, just need to stick them on with some of that helicopter tape type stuff.

 

Alternatively, I have also ordered 3 of those stickers recommended by Cadence

I also made this for a bit of a laugh, I changed the Bafang details for MXUS details and corrected the spelling of 'Standard':

 

Rather than stick a dodgy and fraudulent sticker on your bike, wouldn't carrying proof of bike insurance ( if covered) legitimise your within regs conversion?

Rather than stick a dodgy and fraudulent sticker on your bike, wouldn't carrying proof of bike insurance ( if covered) legitimise your within regs conversion?

The law says that your ebike MUST be marked with the manufacturer's name, the rated power and either the voltage or max speed.

Rather than stick a dodgy and fraudulent sticker on your bike, wouldn't carrying proof of bike insurance ( if covered) legitimise your within regs conversion?

I don't have insurance.

The law says that your ebike MUST be marked with the manufacturer's name, the rated power and either the voltage or max speed.

 

So a diy sticker with a corruption of the actual bike assemblers name/initials, rather than a dodgy bafang counterfeit, would satisfy the regs And remain impervious to future AI scans of police records looking for sure wins for the cps.

 

no doubt a fake bafang sticker could invoke 'fake goods' laws? - its a stretch granted but well within the reach of plod and the cps if they consider it a slam dunk.

The law says that your ebike MUST be marked with the manufacturer's name, the rated power and either the voltage or max speed.

If that is the case then my bike is illegal and may well get seized during the next pogrom.

 

I don't suppose the law says anything about where these markings come from? If that is the case, then buying stickers from eBay should be no problem.

 

As far as the manufacturer's name goes, MXUS don't mark their motors or supply stickers, so I may as well go ahead and make my own...I mean, if it's going to get seized anyway, why not?

 

A couple more attempts:

 

 

So a diy sticker with a corruption of the actual bike assemblers name/initials, rather than a dodgy bafang counterfeit, would satisfy the regs And remain impervious to future AI scans of police records looking for sure wins for the cps.

 

no doubt a fake bafang sticker could invoke 'fake goods' laws? - its a stretch granted but well within the reach of plod and the cps if they consider it a slam dunk.

 

This is not a bad idea, I may as well just go ahead and design my own sticker, I have found the official MXUS logo:

 

 

Edited April 26, 20251 yr by Waspy

The law says that your ebike MUST be marked with the manufacturer's name, the rated power and either the voltage or max speed.

 

My motor has everything but the max speed engraved under the motor. Hardly an accessible location, hence the stickers.

 

 

New detection tactic, able to read motor inscriptions from 40,000ft

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c33zz00kpzxo

 

Good luck seeing those inscrptions, they're under my motor. What's needed are tiny road going drones like in The Dead Pool chasing Dirty Harry's car, with a camera pointed upwards instead of a bomb, or as well as a bomb for those Surronaronron dudes.

 

The seller of my BBS01B kit: IEBIKE on Amazon was and still is overpriced, but I guess if I'd bought from China, my motor might have lacked those engravings, like [uSER=46203]@Ghost1951[/uSER]'s and [mention=40353]Saracen[/mention]'s.

Edited April 26, 20251 yr by guerney

So a diy sticker with a corruption of the actual bike assemblers name/initials, rather than a dodgy bafang counterfeit, would satisfy the regs And remain impervious to future AI scans of police records looking for sure wins for the cps.

 

no doubt a fake bafang sticker could invoke 'fake goods' laws? - its a stretch granted but well within the reach of plod and the cps if they consider it a slam dunk.

The law doesn't say anything about where the label comes from, so there would be no such thing as a fake sticker; however, if you misrepresent the bike by putting false information on the sticker, like 15 mph, when it can actually do 20 mph asisted, that's fraud.

 

You don't need anything fancy on the label - something like " Motor Aikema AKM95 48v rated power 250w; Battery Greenlance 48v; Controller Kunteng 48v; Max assist speed 25km/hr" stuck on the headstock meets the legal requirements. The only problem is whether the police believe that information, so you need something on the motor to indicate that it's the same as what's written on the label. That's where a convincing "fake" label has an advantage, when the motor doesn't have its own identification marks, but on that label, you don't need the 15 mph and other stuff - just the manufacturer and the 250w.

Edited April 26, 20251 yr by saneagle

Any stipulation on sticker placement?? hmm time for malicious compliance perhaps??

 

Version #1 complete with the text

"FP FAB EN:15194 36v 250w 15.5mph"

Printed vertically on 12mm brother label printer tape is circa 15 cm long..

 

btw FP FAB- Fat Phil Fabrications.. Both Ortler and Yose-power etchings decals and stickers are already clearly visible on my Hub and bike.

will need to charge the camera batteries for pics..

Though i think i may splurge £6.99 on the clear tape for the final label. currently i have a blue on white 12mm tape loaded.. I have 6mm clear tape but that would be taking the piss

 

 

any mention of lettering size required?? 6mm tape is starting to sound optimal

You want a very small sticker that can be permanently applied.

The lettering needs to be small enough so that anyone looking there really has to squint.

 

The sticker should read "I AM A C*NT"

I don't know how relevant this document is for us in the UK, but while looking for the EN15194 standard in PDF form for free, I spotted this. Marking, labelling requirements start page 121.

 

https://www.tba-cycling.org/uploadfiles/454/%E5%85%AC%E4%BD%88%E6%AC%84/%E8%A8%8A%E6%81%AF%E5%85%AC%E5%91%8A/TBIS2019%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%E7%89%88/tbis_15194-2019__fdts__108f01__en.pdf

 

 

"5 Marking, labelling

5.1 Requirement

The EPAC shall be marked visibly, legibly and indelibly with the following minimum

particulars:

— Contact and address of the manufacturer or authorized representative;

— EPAC according to TBIS 15194;

— Appropriate marking ;

— Year of construction, that is the year in which the manufacturing was completed

(it is not possible to use a code);

— Cut off speed XX km/h;

— Maximum continuous rated power XX kW;

— Maximum permissible total weight (e.g. marked near the seat post or handlebar);

— Designation of series or type;

— Individual serial number if any;

— Mass of the EPAC in the most usual configuration.

The frame shall be:

a) visibly and permanently marked with a successive frame number at a readily

visible location such as near the pedal-crank, the seat-post, or the handlebar;

b) visibly and durably marked, with the name of the manufacturer of complete

EPAC or the manufacturer's representative and the number of this document, i.e.

EN 15194. The method of testing for durability is specified in 5.2.

Where appropriate, if EPAC is equipped with a coupling device for a trailer the

following values shall be given:

c) Total weight of the trailer

d) Vertical load on the coupling system.

NOTE In some countries there is a legal requirement concerning marking of bicycles.

 

5.2 Marking test

5.2.1 Marking Durability test

5.2.1.1 Requirement

When tested by the method described in 5.2.1.2, the marking shall remain easily

legible. It shall not be easily possible to remove any label nor shall any label show

any sign of curling.

5.2.1.2 Test method

Rub the marking by hand for 15 s with a piece of cloth soaked in water and again for

15 s with a piece of cloth soaked in petroleum spirit."

Edited April 27, 20251 yr by guerney

Jeez, if that's the requirement we're all stuffed. Suspect it may be a piece of european over thought flummery. Clue is, at the start, it refers to EPAC (is that electric pedal assited cycle?) , I believe in this country it's EAPC (electric assisted pedal cycle), which is totally different.

If plod starts carrying petrol soaked rags I think we're in a world of trouble.

Jeez, if that's the requirement we're all stuffed. Suspect it may be a piece of european over thought flummery. Clue is, at the start, it refers to EPAC (is that electric pedal assited cycle?) , I believe in this country it's EAPC (electric assisted pedal cycle), which is totally different.

If plod starts carrying petrol soaked rags I think we're in a world of trouble.

That's for manufacturers of complete bikes. I told you above what you must have on your label.

The law doesn't say anything about where the label comes from, so there would be no such thing as a fake sticker; however, if you misrepresent the bike by putting false information on the sticker, like 15 mph, when it can actually do 20 mph asisted, that's fraud.

 

You don't need anything fancy on the label - something like " Motor Aikema AKM95 48v rated power 250w; Battery Greenlance 48v; Controller Kunteng 48v; Max assist speed 25km/hr" stuck on the headstock meets the legal requirements. The only problem is whether the police believe that information, so you need something on the motor to indicate that it's the same as what's written on the label. That's where a convincing "fake" label has an advantage, when the motor doesn't have its own identification marks, but on that label, you don't need the 15 mph and other stuff - just the manufacturer and the 250w.

 

OK, so these are the stickers I've settled on. I will be printing them on glossy photo paper and fixing them with helicopter tape.

 

This is for the frame:

 

 

This is for the motor:

 

 

What do you think?

Edited April 27, 20251 yr by Waspy

OK, so these are the stickers I've settled on. I will be printing them on glossy photo paper and fixing them with helicopter tape.

 

This is for the frame:

 

 

This is for the motor:

 

 

What do you think?

That looks pretty good concerning the info, but for the motor one, I'd move the logo down a bit and the 36v 250w up to make it narrower and more like a label for the motor. Trim off the surplus.

That looks pretty good concerning the info, but for the motor one, I'd move the logo down a bit and the 36v 250w up to make it narrower and more like a label for the motor. Trim off the surplus.

Will do, thanks.

That looks pretty good concerning the info, but for the motor one, I'd move the logo down a bit and the 36v 250w up to make it narrower and more like a label for the motor. Trim off the surplus.

 

Use super glue to stick them on once you have cleaned the area you want to stick them.

 

Good idea to clean the whole motor gently with detergent or sugar soap possibly something like thinners if you are careful don’t take the paint off .

 

Once stuck on and clean give the hub a few coats of a clear acrylic lacquer.

 

They will not come off unless rubbed off on purpose