October 29, 201510 yr Author Well well well I didn't think that this post would cause such a stir. I do know about the legalities with s pedelecs. I also know that the dealer can simply alter the setting of the bike in the firmware to increase the top speed. There seem to be so many tuning mods for the Bosch system of bikes but little or nothing for the specialized. I just wanted to find out if someone else had managed to have this particular model bike " which I really like" have the firmware adjusted somewhere. If your spending£3000 on an pedelec you would want it as was designed an intended to be used. I'm not some mad cyclist. Just looking for some information on a possible future purchase.
October 29, 201510 yr Selling an S-Class bike is of no risk to you David, its just like any motorbike shop selling a motorcross bike. They can't be used anywhere apart from private land, but they are sold every day with no issue for the retailers. The only issue is most MX customers won't use their bike on the road, and certainly wouldn't take it to their local forest park to ride around the woods. Colin,I think we are in agreement my legal guys also said there was no problem in the selling but the problem is in the testing. If I,or any of my employ,watched an S-class bike being tested on the road by a customer,especially adjacent to our premises,then I would be effectively and formally be giving a legal ok nod that it is ok to do so. Not sure of the legal implications of courier delivery to a customer,but most people paying £2k plus for such a bike would want to test ride it. With the uncertainty I decided not to bother. The MX bike customer would probably not expect to test the bike up the road so the problem doesnt really apply. KudosDave
October 29, 201510 yr Well well well I didn't think that this post would cause such a stir. I do know about the legalities with s pedelecs. I also know that the dealer can simply alter the setting of the bike in the firmware to increase the top speed. There seem to be so many tuning mods for the Bosch system of bikes but little or nothing for the specialized. I just wanted to find out if someone else had managed to have this particular model bike " which I really like" have the firmware adjusted somewhere. If your spending£3000 on an pedelec you would want it as was designed an intended to be used. I'm not some mad cyclist. Just looking for some information on a possible future purchase. Welcome to the forum kiaboy. It's not always this chaotic, just once in a while lol. Hope you find what you are looking for. If not, I believe Haibike and Focus do S-Pedelecs, so maybe one of their bikes will take your fancy and be easier to source in the UK
November 6, 201510 yr John, The waiver, while a bit over dramatic, was not daft. As I said, possession/sale of the modded bike is not illegal. The waiver, presumably saying the buyer would not use the bike illegally, does offer the dealer extra protection. Not that the dealer needs it. Just a quick note to say that pretty much everything in this post of yours Rob is incorrect.
November 6, 201510 yr Well well well I didn't think that this post would cause such a stir. I do know about the legalities with s pedelecs. I also know that the dealer can simply alter the setting of the bike in the firmware to increase the top speed. There seem to be so many tuning mods for the Bosch system of bikes but little or nothing for the specialized. I just wanted to find out if someone else had managed to have this particular model bike " which I really like" have the firmware adjusted somewhere. If your spending£3000 on an pedelec you would want it as was designed an intended to be used. I'm not some mad cyclist. Just looking for some information on a possible future purchase. Sorry only just see this, I'm afraid you a missing a key point. Altering a normal Ebike by removing the limit doesn't make it an spedelec. What you have a bicycle without a speed restricted motor, this is technically and importantly different to a vehicle designed, built and sold as an spedelec.
November 6, 201510 yr Sorry only just see this, I'm afraid you a missing a key point. Altering a normal Ebike by removing the limit doesn't make it an spedelec. What you have a bicycle without a speed restricted motor, this is technically and importantly different to a vehicle designed, built and sold as an spedelec. hmm stick a number plate holder and a rear view mirror on and Bob's your uncle. ..
November 6, 201510 yr hmm stick a number plate holder and a rear view mirror on and Bob's your uncle. .. If only things in life were that simple.
November 6, 201510 yr If only things in life were that simple. In that case I think you're missing a trick here, showing how an S-pedelec varies from a dongled e-bike would surely give credence to your campaign.
November 6, 201510 yr It has to be able to do 20km an hour without pedalling and the brakes have to be better... Those are just two off the top of my head, that you can't do on a dongled stock Ebike.
November 6, 201510 yr It has to be able to do 20km an hour without pedalling and the brakes have to be better... Those are just two off the top of my head, that you can't do on a dongled stock Ebike. Interesting, so a weedy dongled e-bike isn't quite the beast of a moped you've been making them out to be.
November 6, 201510 yr Interesting, so a weedy dongled e-bike isn't quite the beast of a moped you've been making them out to be. I have NEVER complained about the use of dongled ebikes because I think they are too fast!!!!! I complain about the sale of them because the dealers doing it are misleading customers and not following in line with trading standards laws. I complain about their use Offroad because it has the very real potential to mean access is removed for all ebikes and we will never get it back. I try to make people aware that dongled ebikes are NOT the same as spedelecs. All I'm trying to say is that THEY ARE mopeds, it's just that a spedelec is built to be one, and a dongled Ebike can't even be one if there was a way to register them in the UK. I would never describe a moped as a beast, and I've just spent the day thrashing around the Tuscan hills on a classic Vespa so I'm speaking from experience.
November 6, 201510 yr I try to make people aware that dongled ebikes are NOT the same as spedelecs. I think I understand. So dongled e-bikes are not s-pedelecs because they're half the price, and they don't have a number plate bracket and rear view mirror to take off.
November 6, 201510 yr I think I understand. So dongled e-bikes are not s-pedelecs because they're half the price, and they don't have a number plate bracket and rear view mirror to take off. I don't understand why they are needed, other, perhaps, than to fulfil a perverse desire to break the law. Tom
November 6, 201510 yr I don't understand why they are needed, other, perhaps, than to fulfil a perverse desire to break the law. Tom Quite agree, 15.5 mph is plenty fast enough.
November 6, 201510 yr I think I understand. So dongled e-bikes are not s-pedelecs because they're half the price, and they don't have a number plate bracket and rear view mirror to take off. That and the fact an spedelec has a warranty and a CE certificate... and the fact that an spedelec can be sold legally by a dealer and the customer will be protected. Also the fact an spedelec has a frame built by someone who knew it was going to be an spedelec, and it has the brakes needed to stop a bike of that weight capable of that speed. If you buy a normal ebike with a dongle youll be supporting a dealer who is breaking lots of trading standards laws by selling you the bike, so you won't know how long they will be around. The EN CE safety certificate that your dongled ebike won't have.... could up if being important if you're ever unfortunate to be involved in an accident.
November 6, 201510 yr S-pedelec it is then, got any good deals on at the moment? I've got a big garden.
November 6, 201510 yr enjoy your holiday. Not easy on a vespa but then we all have a cross to bear [emoji6]
November 6, 201510 yr enjoy your holiday. No such thing as a holiday in my life for last 5 years.... I just move my office somewhere nice for a bit!
November 6, 201510 yr No such thing as a holiday in my life for last 5 years.... I just move my office somewhere nice for a bit! You know what they say " all work and no play makes Jack fixate on dongles " ......or something like that [emoji6]
November 6, 201510 yr You know what they say " all work and no play makes Jack fixate on dongles " ......or something like that [emoji6] fixate on dongles ... on here .... You should see how much trouble I get into elsewhere about all the other issues that are important to me
November 6, 201510 yr Holy cow, I haven't signed in for 6 months and KTM industries still bolloxxing on about his dongle. Kind of destroying this forum, especially the 'off road' section.
November 6, 201510 yr Just a quick note to say that pretty much everything in this post of yours Rob is incorrect. Col, Possession of a dongled/modded bike is not illegal, only use in most circumstances is not legal. Thus it is legal for a dongled/modded bike to be bought and sold. Thus my post is entirely correct. You don't like it, but you really should attempt at least a modicum of accuracy before making such bold statements. You keep on raising the profile of dongled/modded bikes. Can you not see you are only making a trail centre ebike ban much more likely? You say you don't want that, but I am beginning to wonder exactly what you do want. Edited November 7, 201510 yr by RobF
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