you think you could get ur bike up this hill?

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you think you could get ur bike up this hill?

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My Gasgas txt 300 would go up that in 3rd...easy..Its about 50kw tho !!!

 

My Haibike wouldn't ...not with me on it anyways..

I,m heading for Winnats ASAP...I might be ordering a hub drive ??? We,ll see.

 

Let me know when and I'll come and cheer you on.

could you go up it faster than the cheese can go down it tho me thinks you need to go 100mph to do that.

Ha, Coopers Hill...... the lunatics go down it almost as fast as the cheese.

if i get to the top ill go down it never 1 the cheese tho ;(

I'm not technically minded when it comes to bikes, and I was out off hub motors due to the complexity they add to the wheel, making work on the wheel more difficult. I like the relative simplicity of crank drives for maintenance.

 

One other observation - the tone of these discussions does a lot to put off potential buyers. I've looked at Pedelecs for about 18 months before finally buying one this year and it was only possible by going to local shops and talking with retailers. If I'd used these forums to decide which bike to buy I'd still be procrastinating!

I'm not technically minded when it comes to bikes, and I was out off hub motors due to the complexity they add to the wheel, making work on the wheel more difficult. I like the relative simplicity of crank drives for maintenance.

 

One other observation - the tone of these discussions does a lot to put off potential buyers. I've looked at Pedelecs for about 18 months before finally buying one this year and it was only possible by going to local shops and talking with retailers. If I'd used these forums to decide which bike to buy I'd still be procrastinating!

Good point.

Think forum is populated by very well meaning, technically gifted , enthusiastic "racing" cyclists..Many seem to judge bikes abilities over short fast rides, where hub motors can compete...sort of uninitentionally misleads new folk..

 

Just try lots. Its a buyers market. Ignore stuff on here, go to open days, borrow council stuff, have a go on strangers bikes....then buy a CD drive.

No with all due respect you are not just saying. You are advertising. Some forums do not allow it. Hardly think you are going to be objective ??

And with all due respect to other posters suspect this is an issue on forum.

How many posters on here have a vested interest in hub drives or modifying pedelecs into ilegal ones..???

Advice to any posters.

Get to a dealer who can lend you CD drives and Hub drives. Borrow both for a few days.Many authorities are currently lending out pedelecs absolutely FOC for 3 months.Borrow a few and decide for yourselves who is talking BS and who isn't..

 

Ofcourse I didn't try every hub drive..but each legal one I did was only ok..every cd bike I borrowed was brilliant. ( Impulse/Bosch/Yam were all extremely impresssive.)

Do your own research and see what you think..

 

Absolutely not Flud, this thread was started by the OP to discuss the hill climbing abilities of his Wisper bike. I would never enter a thread and discuss my splendid bikes unless they were the subject of discussion. The reason I used that particular statement from one of my stockists (who also sell Bosch powered CD bikes) is because it was a third party report and very relevant.

 

Incidentally the person that wrote the independent report was out riding with her husband and business partner who was riding a bike with a Bosch Performance CD.

 

One of my longer drawn out and probably more boring posts in this thread explains I sell Bosch CD bikes, we are the national distributor for Riese and Muller, I very much like the Bosch CD it's an amazing system. I rode a Charger Mountain with CX motor home last night and am about to use it again to go back to the warehouse. Its brilliant! All I am saying is that we should not be so blinkered there are superb hub drive and CD bikes, both have their place in the market and will appeal to different people.

 

(I should add, tonight I will go back to my hub driven Wisper Torque)

 

All the best David

I'm not technically minded when it comes to bikes, and I was out off hub motors due to the complexity they add to the wheel, making work on the wheel more difficult. I like the relative simplicity of crank drives for maintenance.

 

One other observation - the tone of these discussions does a lot to put off potential buyers. I've looked at Pedelecs for about 18 months before finally buying one this year and it was only possible by going to local shops and talking with retailers. If I'd used these forums to decide which bike to buy I'd still be procrastinating!

Here here or is it hear hear?

Absolutely not Flud, this thread was started by the OP to discuss the hill climbing abilities of his Wisper bike. I would never enter a thread and discuss my splendid bikes unless they were the subject of discussion. The reason I used that particular statement from one of my stockists (who also sell Bosch powered CD bikes) is because it was a third party report and very relevant.

 

Incidentally the person that wrote the independent report was out riding with her husband and business partner who was riding a bike with a Bosch Performance CD.

 

One of my longer drawn out and probably more boring posts in this thread explains I sell Bosch CD bikes, we are the national distributor for Riese and Muller, I very much like the Bosch CD it's an amazing system. I rode a Charger Mountain with CX motor home last night and am about to use it again to go back to the warehouse. Its brilliant! All I am saying is that we should not be so blinkered there are superb hub drive and CD bikes, both have their place in the market and will appeal to different people.

 

(I should add, tonight I will go back to my hub driven Wisper Torque)

 

All the best David

 

Good post and fair comment..

So presumably its the fact that the Wisper does not suit the OP as to why he struggled on his maiden climb ?

Also having ridden the Bosch system and going back to your Wisper are you standing by your claim the latter is " a real alternative" to the former which suggests both systems would suit similar riders ?? This appears not to be the case.

Which system would you choose use on extended climbs ?

Which system would you recommend for OP. ?

Cherry picking a review on one system no matter what you claim answers neither question, It simply puts the onus back on OP getting fitter to use a bike he bought to make that task easier and less essential.

Did the OP buy the correct bike for his intended use ?

 

Its really difficult for a supplier/ retailer to take part in open forums without seeming to be biased. I,m surprised to see so many on Pedelecs forum non trade area ??

Ignore stuff on here.

 

Charming

Here here or is it hear hear?

 

I hear you over here. ..

Good post and fair comment..

So presumably its the fact that the Wisper does not suit the OP as to why he struggled on his maiden climb ?

Also having ridden the Bosch system and going back to your Wisper are you standing by your claim the latter is " a real alternative" to the former which suggests both systems would suit similar riders ?? This appears not to be the case.

Which system would you choose use on extended climbs ?

Which system would you recommend for OP. ?

Cherry picking a review on one system no matter what you claim answers neither question, It simply puts the onus back on OP getting fitter to use a bike he bought to make that task easier and less essential.

Did the OP buy the correct bike for his intended use ?

 

Its really difficult for a supplier/ retailer to take part in open forums without seeming to be biased. I,m surprised to see so many on Pedelecs forum non trade area ??

 

I was about to answer one point, but as you're ignoring us there's little point

 

but seriously I think he'd say try both, it's impossible to predict which bike someone will like, and then over time just to compound the decision a change in a riders fitness could mean a different system now suits them better than when they started out.

Edited April 14, 201610 yr by Artstu

Charming

 

Taken out of context , was ironic suggesting posters make their own minds up by trying bikes out in their planned environment. ( Including ignoring my comments)

Ps my smilie system wont work...I,d have sccattered comment with them.

Its hard on forum to say stuff in manner it is intended..It was jovial irony. .

Taken out of context , was ironic suggesting posters make their own minds up by trying bikes out in their planned environment. ( Including ignoring my comments)

Ps my smilie system wont work...I,d have sccattered comment with them.

Its hard on forum to say stuff in manner it is intended..It was jovial irony. .

 

Just click the little smiley and they appear. I'm only messing.

 

Drat hit the limiter last night and the bunch pounced on me

Edited April 14, 201610 yr by Artstu

I was about to answer one point, but as you're ignoring us there's little point

 

but seriously I think he'd say try both, it's impossible to predict which bike someone will like, and then over time just to compound the decision a change in a riders fitness could mean a different system now suits them better than they started out.

 

Fair enough...

But ( I always have a but) it does seem sort of putting cart before horse when a rider buys an ebike and is told to get best from it he needs to be fitter..many folk simply cant, or dont want to, get fitter.

We saying they shouldn't tackle long rides with steep climbs ??

Wife has zero intention of getting fitter ( bike is almost tricking her into doing it)

We went around a 20 mile moderate ride yesterday. I was in eco, she was in highest setting. I just kept up. Her 2nd ride in 25 years...bike was amazing. ( an 8 speed hub geared/ Bosch cd unit. Absolutely no issues on hills.)

Is that because bike suits her or Bosch cd is brilliant ?? Who knows?

 

My smilie

 

 

 

See nowt appears ???

Fair enough...

But ( I always have a but) it does seem sort of putting cart before horse when a rider buys an ebike and is told to get best from it he needs to be fitter..many folk simply cant, or dont want to, get fitter.

 

That's why I said could

We saying they shouldn't tackle long rides with steep climbs ??

Wife has zero intention of getting fitter ( bike is almost tricking her into doing it)

We went around a 20 mile moderate ride yesterday. I was in eco, she was in highest setting. I just kept up. Her 2nd ride in 25 years...bike was amazing. ( an 8 speed hub geared/ Bosch cd unit. Absolutely no issues on hills.)

Is that because bike suits her or Bosch cd is brilliant ?? Who knows?

 

My smilie

 

I'm with you. but this thread goes to show there are people out there who buy bikes that don't live up to their requirements and expectations. I have my own views as to why, but that's me speculating.

Think forum is populated by very well meaning, technically gifted , enthusiastic "racing" cyclists..Many seem to judge bikes abilities over short fast rides, where hub motors can compete...sort of uninitentionally misleads new folk..

How on Earth did you come to that conclusion? It seems to me that when facts don't fit your own unfounded theories, you make up facts to justify them.

Who are these racing cyclists on the forum that only ride short fast rides? Please name them so that we can have a laugh.

Good post and fair comment..

So presumably its the fact that the Wisper does not suit the OP as to why he struggled on his maiden climb ?

Also having ridden the Bosch system and going back to your Wisper are you standing by your claim the latter is " a real alternative" to the former which suggests both systems would suit similar riders ?? This appears not to be the case.

Which system would you choose use on extended climbs ?

Which system would you recommend for OP. ?

Cherry picking a review on one system no matter what you claim answers neither question, It simply puts the onus back on OP getting fitter to use a bike he bought to make that task easier and less essential.

Did the OP buy the correct bike for his intended use ?

 

Its really difficult for a supplier/ retailer to take part in open forums without seeming to be biased. I,m surprised to see so many on Pedelecs forum non trade area ??

 

I agree Flud, it's so difficult, and TBH I try and keep out as much as possible nowadays.

 

The posted review was sent to me after a conversation in which she told me that her husband could not keep up with her "in the hills", he was riding a Bosch Performance ebike, I would be happy to tell you which one in a PM.

 

We spent nearly two years putting together our new Wisper Torque drive system. It's designed for the UK and Europe, with a low top speed (just over the 15.5mph +10% max) but with loads of grunt at lower speeds. We perfected it still further in the Mk2 version.

 

We commissioned the algorithms that run our system in 2014 and I believe by using our software, sine wave controller, a particularly good, very small and powerful hub motor with the correct gearing (costing us nearly double the price of a low-end hub motor), a sensitive torque sensor that works on both pedals, coupled with an internal cadence sensor, we have something quite special.

 

I was trying to create a silent system with enough "umph" and intelligence to cope with most conditions. I think we are pretty well there. For instance, when the bike is at standstill the cadence sensor recognises this, so instructs the system to give a much more powerful boost through the torque sensor making hill starts etc very easy. I also needed to consider expense, it had to be a system that was less expensive than a CD.

 

What we have achieved is a bike that doesn't feel like a standard cadence censored hub drive bike, it feels a lot more like a CD but with smoother gear change and hardly any motor noise, you can just about hear it on start up then it fades away completely. The fact that the motor is behind the rider further reduces the motor noise and quite honestly I cannot hear it when riding. I also wanted to create a discrete electric bike, some people don't want others to know they are on an ebike. With panniers fitted, you could hardly tell it's electric. No big battery on the down tube or motor housing around the BB. Through the savings we have made by not using a CD we have been able to use battery with nearly 400Wh, a superb set of frames with 10 year warranties, hydraulic brakes, a decent cassette rear cluster, a powerful hi torque motor, etc, etc and all for £1,499.00 SRP.

 

I am not saying it is better than a CD, as I have said previously I absolutely love the Bosch performance and particularly the XC version, it's brilliant.

 

Our bikes are simply different.

 

As to which bike is better for the OP I really could not say. it is completely a matter of choice. Of course for nearly £6,000 we could supply a beautiful Riese & Muller Delite with Fox CDT remote, a Bosch performance XC motor etc and that is certainly a better bike. But for sub £1,500 I think he has made a good choice.

 

All the best, and thanks for the opportunity to explain.

 

David

 

 

 

See nowt appears ???

 

click the smiley, then wait for them to appear below the reply box

:cool::eek::rolleyes:

 

Just showing off!

suggesting posters make their own minds up by trying bikes out in their planned environment. ( Including ignoring my comments)

 

If you'd been a long time in this forum you'd know that the people you are criticising regularly tell others to try before buying, stressing how essential that is. I even plead with them to spend time and money, if necessary travelling long distances to do that, to avoid wasting money with an incorrect first buy.

 

I know you stubbornly don't wish to accept it, but large numbers after trying prefer hub motors, and for many of them it really is the best choice in their circumstances. If you want me to explain why that is, I'll happily explain.

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hub drives are cheaper to buy and cheaper to replace.

Hill climbing ability depends essentially on how much power the controller will draw from your battery.

Most people would be happy with a 6-FET 15A controller but if you have big hills, select a bike with a 9-FET 20A controller. For in between, select a 6-FET 18A controller.

Edited April 14, 201610 yr by trex

hub drives are cheaper to buy and cheaper to replace.

 

And also easy to service, repair or refurbish when worn, something that is between difficult and impossible with most crank units.

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