February 10, 20179 yr The bulk of the debate was squandered on modalities instead. parliament voted only to start the process and make it possible to trigger A50 before April. The fight will carry on until the next general election.
February 10, 20179 yr What will really be interesting is what will happen in an election to the MP's who followed their constituents majority views by voting against the majority vote... (if that makes any sense) We are constantly told that a lot of people want to change their minds, or didn't understand they were voting for the wrong option.. A by election might shed some light on this!
February 10, 20179 yr If I had been at a rugby match which ended 17 16 points the only conclusion I would have drawn is that it was a very close result. I would have accepted that one side had ground out a victory. The supposition that there was therefore a mandate for change was and still is false. The success of the "brexiteers" has been to confuse the UK population , since the referendum that there was a will of the people which had to be appeased. There was not much a mandate. There was no requirement to leave, the difference between that and and the rugby match where there is a requirement for league progression. Is stark. What was disturbing in the recent Westminster debate was that the substantial issue was never addressed, by those responsible for your well-being ... What would be gained by the UK as against what would be lost. The bulk of the debate was squandered on modalities instead. Rugby supporters are a level headed lot, so a better analogy might be a football match where the loosers feel so aggrieved with the officials causing the loss that they refuse to accept the result and go on a rampage to make their point..
February 10, 20179 yr It wasn't me who said they'd been job looses, because of Brexit. Even in my little company, we've made cut backs and didn't take on the apprentice we had planned last year. We've cut marketing and had to pull out of shows. We've even dropped one brand. If you don't think all these little things have impacts, you are mistaken. Maybe next time a new dealer approaches you, who has plans to become an ebiking super-centre, you shouldn't refuse him just because he sells Stromers (which are sold with registration documents) because you think are illegal. Having a petty agenda like that will do more harm to your business than brexit. He's now signed up with one of your competitors, who I'm sure will do very nicely out of the deal maybe enough to employ an apprentice and expand their marketing department.
February 10, 20179 yr Maybe next time a new dealer approaches you, who has plans to become an ebiking super-centre, you shouldn't refuse him just because he sells Stromers (which are sold with registration documents) because you think are illegal. Having a petty agenda like that will do more harm to your business than brexit. He's now signed up with one of your competitors, who I'm sure will do very nicely out of the deal maybe enough to employ an apprentice and expand their marketing department. If a dealer sells bikes we're not comfortable being sold next to KTM, or has an attitude we're not happy with we refuse them an account. I know the shop you're talking about and I quote: "More recently however, we have become involved in the building, maintenance and sale of ElectricBikes, and a number of us here at ‘*******’ have even developed our own personal bicycles which can exceed 40 mph with their powerful electric motors and battery combinations." Which is why we didn't supply them. I'm sorry you don't agree with our stance, but I can assure you its not a petty agenda, and we can all look back in a couple of years and see how things pan out. We don't need the business so would rather support dealers who don't brag about making 40mph eBikes in their application emails. We also refuse to supply dealers who sell dongles or promote their use.
February 10, 20179 yr If a dealer sells bikes we're not comfortable being sold next to KTM, or has an attitude we're not happy with we refuse them an account. Why do you supply Damian Harris then? They list KTM bikes alongside 30mph Stromers.
February 10, 20179 yr Why do you supply Damian Harris then? They list KTM bikes alongside 30mph Stromers. because as d8ve has said, its possible to sell and use the Stromers legally, we sell lots of KTMs to shops that sell lots of different types of motorbikes.
February 10, 20179 yr parliament voted only to start the process and make it possible to trigger A50 before April. The fight will carry on until the next general election. Woosh, as I have stated on a number of occasions and provided the actual text of article 50, once the process has commenced any opposition in the UK parliament is irrelevant. It was very disheartening to read that none of the MPs seemed to have realised that. Had they not read it or had they accepted ill-founded alternative interpretations. We the Irish have a capacity for creative ambiguity, but the Germans and the Dutch do not have that gift
February 10, 20179 yr Mrs May is not going to reverse brexit. The fight I referred to is who will form the next UK government. I agree that once A50 is triggered, brexit is practically going to happen. From there on, reversing it or rejoining the EU will require agreement of all EU27 members. I still think the EU27 need the UK more than UK needs the EU so a reversal of brexit would not be opposed by EU27 members.
February 10, 20179 yr From there on, reversing it or rejoining the EU will require agreement of all EU27 members. I still think the EU27 need the UK more than UK needs the EU so a reversal of brexit would not be opposed by EU27 members. To avoid a repeat of the UK's past constant demands for special treatment, I'm sure the 27 would insist on a rejoin on full membership terms, rather than an article 50 reversal to what existed before. They may be lots of things, but they aren't stupid. About the only thing we might be able to avoid is the euro. . .
February 10, 20179 yr If I had been at a rugby match which ended 17 16 points the only conclusion I would have drawn is that it was a very close result. I would have accepted that one side had ground out a victory. The supposition that there was therefore a mandate for change was and still is false. The success of the "brexiteers" has been to confuse the UK population , since the referendum that there was a will of the people which had to be appeased. There was not much a mandate. There was no requirement to leave, the difference between that and and the rugby match where there is a requirement for league progression. Is stark. What was disturbing in the recent Westminster debate was that the substantial issue was never addressed, by those responsible for your well-being ... What would be gained by the UK as against what would be lost. The bulk of the debate was squandered on modalities instead. Rugby as well now, I have always respected rugby players for taking it on the chin, respecting the rules, accepting defeat and moving on to the next challenge - as a team. Most of us (including the politicians) thought that remain was a foregone conclusion - it wasn't - we have to live with the consequences no matter how scary. Time to roll our sleeves up!
February 10, 20179 yr Most of us (including the politicians) thought that remain was a foregone conclusion - it wasn't - we have to live with the consequences no matter how scary. Time to roll our sleeves up! I don't think that follows, in politics our disagreements remain and we try to reverse opposing decisions. That is why in parliament we have an opposition. Like nearly half of the voters I am completely opposed to our leaving the EU and will continue to desire and fight for a reversal of what I believe is a foolish decision. Should we still leave, the fight then will be to rejoin asap. The greater our failure following departure, the more likely that we will rejoin, so I have no interest in softening the effects of leaving through my own efforts. .
February 10, 20179 yr Rugby as well now, I have always respected rugby players for taking it on the chin, respecting the rules, accepting defeat and moving on to the next challenge - as a team. Most of us (including the politicians) thought that remain was a foregone conclusion - it wasn't - we have to live with the consequences no matter how scary. Time to roll our sleeves up! er, technically, it couldn't have been most of us.
February 10, 20179 yr er, technically, it couldn't have been most of us. Apparently most bexiteers wish they had another chance to pit it right..
February 10, 20179 yr Apparently most bexiteers wish they had another chance to pit it right.. Most? . Probably wishful thinking but If that is there view they need to articulate it to the only people who matter ... Their MP
February 10, 20179 yr Rugby as well now, I have always respected rugby players for taking it on the chin, respecting the rules, accepting defeat and moving on to the next challenge - as a team. Most of us (including the politicians) thought that remain was a foregone conclusion - it wasn't - we have to live with the consequences no matter how scary. Time to roll our sleeves up! I picked rugby as my example as a soccer match with 17 goals to 16 might be somewhat unusual match result with real teams
February 10, 20179 yr Most? . Probably wishful thinking but If that is there view they need to articulate it to the only people who matter ... Their MP Was being sarcastic. Whenever I see remain map's on tv talk shows they seem to have the idea that the brexit voters were ill informed, have reslised thrir mistake and are desperate for another referendum. And those that refuse to see the light shouldn't worry as these same mp's will rectify it for them free of charge.
February 10, 20179 yr Rugby as well now, I have always respected rugby players for taking it on the chin, respecting the rules, accepting defeat and moving on to the next challenge - as a team. Most of us (including the politicians) thought that remain was a foregone conclusion - it wasn't - we have to live with the consequences no matter how scary. Time to roll our sleeves up! There are no consequences or irrevocable decisions unless and until the letter requesting article 50 is sent. Once sent then your " sleeve rolling" begins.
February 10, 20179 yr There are no consequences or irrevocable decisions unless and until the letter requesting article 50 is sent. Once sent then your " sleeve rolling" begins. We are back where I began and now I am just as guilty, I never expected to see it happen but Britain is going to leave the EU, it is a waste of time bickering over it, I see a glass half full, you see it half (maybe completely) empty, feel free to carry on without me, I'm off to roll my sleeves up.
February 10, 20179 yr If a dealer sells bikes we're not comfortable being sold next to KTM, or has an attitude we're not happy with we refuse them an account. I know the shop you're talking about and I quote: "More recently however, we have become involved in the building, maintenance and sale of ElectricBikes, and a number of us here at ‘*******’ have even developed our own personal bicycles which can exceed 40 mph with their powerful electric motors and battery combinations." Which is why we didn't supply them. I'm sorry you don't agree with our stance, but I can assure you its not a petty agenda, and we can all look back in a couple of years and see how things pan out. We don't need the business so would rather support dealers who don't brag about making 40mph eBikes in their application emails. We also refuse to supply dealers who sell dongles or promote their use. Lets step back and be honest.. How do you think all this constant bickering about legals, speeding and dongles from people who should know better affects prospective buyers of electric bicycles? You must be aware that the more it goes on the more likely it will pop up in internet searches... So will anyone,looking for information about e-bikes by doing a google search and then comes across all this nonsense want to rush out and buy one? Two letter answers only I think... Look, some of you guys are supposed to be professionals!
February 10, 20179 yr One thing I have noticed is that Decathlon just today put up their price on their entry level Ebike Elops 500E (an old model which they called "Bebike 500") from 530 to 599 GBP, and their new model Elops 500E has also just gone up from 560 to 599 GBP, I imagine this has happened because of our weak currency at the moment, the latter being definitely due to the Brexit effects (you can see it on the graph at xc.com/ucc, GBP vs USD rate). Annoying to see, but we just have to accept it. Regards, Alistair G. Edited February 10, 20179 yr by Live_Steam_Mad
February 11, 20179 yr How do you think all this constant bickering about legals, speeding and dongles from people who should know better affects prospective buyers of electric bicycles? I was at a well known electric bike shop yesterday. While I was there, I spoke with three customers who wanted to buy bikes. They all wanted to know whether or how the bike could be derestricted. It was obviously a key characteristic for them. That was three out of three. I didn't encourage them at all. I just answered their questions honestly. I would say that many bike sales depend on the ability to derestrict. You can't put your head in the sand. People are doing it rightly or wrongly. As far as I'm concerned, I don't care. I don't judge them. It's their choice. if anybody asks me for technical information, I give it along with appropriate advice.
February 11, 20179 yr I would say that many bike sales depend on the ability to derestrict. You can't put your head in the sand. People are doing it rightly or wrongly. As far as I'm concerned, I don't care. I don't judge them. It's their choice. if anybody asks me for technical information, I give it along with appropriate advice. True. This is directly connected with the way in which modern cycling has developed in Britain, born out of road and MTB use it's somewhat sporting in style and quite fast. This is completely different from the leisurely utility cycling so common in Europes main cycling nations like The Netherlands and in Japan, where ambling around at 8 to 12 mph is common. The EU wide pedelec law is directly related to their cycling in those countries so is very unsuited to British cycling. .
February 11, 20179 yr true or not, derestriction gives me a lot of headache. Yes, and as e-biking gets much more popular and widespread, could become a headache for those riding derestricted if the authorities get interested enough to act. .
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