December 23, 2025Dec 23 What's wrong with this picture? Bike is chained up and looks as though it's someones daily shopper - perhaps the motor's labeled wrongly. Looks like the copper is looking at a nice bit of safe paperwork for the rest of his shift. Similarly this one. This poor woman looks utterly bemused - or she could be a drug dealer ! I suspect that the police are just starting to target any bike that looks electric, it's an easy highly visible cop and you've got to prove that it is in fact an eapc with documentation. The rate this is going I can see it coming to rural west Wales any day now. My kit bike could far too easily be called out as 'a dangerously modified bike', despite all it's compliant labeling. If you read the report you would see that the police were talking to the woman about her completely legal ebike , they also didn't say that the chained up bike was illegal merely that the policeman was looking at it.
December 23, 2025Dec 23 Don't forget that some people derestrict their Bosch bike with hidden dongles. https://www.google.com/search?q=bosch+ebike+derestrictor&rlz=1C1ONGR_en-GBGB1062GB1062&oq=bosch+ebike+derestrictor&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTILCAEQABgKGAsYgAQyCAgCEAAYFhgeMggIAxAAGBYYHjINCAQQABiGAxiABBiKBTINCAUQABiGAxiABBiKBTINCAYQABiGAxiABBiKBTINCAcQABiGAxiABBiKBTINCAgQABiGAxiABBiKBTIKCAkQABiABBiiBNIBCjEwODgyajBqMTWoAgiwAgHxBRp1T99PDUyK&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Why would you do that if you are a cyclist rather than an aspiring motorcyclist? I am quite happy to ride at 15 miles an hour with electrical assistance. If people want a motorcycle, they should buy one. Second hand motorbikes are cheap as you could wish for. Chinese brands of 125 cc bikes are ridiculously cheap brand new - about £2000.
December 23, 2025Dec 23 The one above seized in York I very much doubt would 'do' 103 mph to be honest but the hub motor is obviously way oversized, I've no paperwork for mine but it has a hard to read epac sticker on the wheel side of the lower seat tube. I can ghost pedal at 27 kilometers an hour too
December 23, 2025Dec 23 Author The one above seized in York I very much doubt would 'do' 103 mph to be honest but the hub motor is obviously way oversized, I've no paperwork for mine but it has a hard to read epac sticker on the wheel side of the lower seat tube. I can ghost pedal at 27 kilometers an hour too You're wrong. It can easily do 103 mph if you chuck it off Beachy Head. Most of those bicycle-shaped ones where they claim over 40 mph are simply ones where the guy never set the LCD, and some are ones where the guy didn't understand how P07 works. They set it to 100 and see 96mph on the display, thinking that they've somehow improved the bike's speed.
December 23, 2025Dec 23 Penalties for wasting police time include a fine or imprisonment. Does it cut both ways? (Note the film crew.)
December 24, 2025Dec 24 If you read the report you would see that the police were talking to the woman about her completely legal ebike , they also didn't say that the chained up bike was illegal merely that the policeman was looking at it. Whoops ! My bad. Didn't read it. However, whilst most of the pictures we see are obviously wronguns, there do seem to be a increasing amount of OK looking bikes pictured on the back of recovery/confiscation vehicles. I do have a concern that it's building a precedent of 'If it's electric, nab it and we'll sort the paperwork later'. My own bike is a conversion. It's fully labelled but I had to make the labels myself. It's unlikely I will get pulled around here but how about if I go to Swansea or Birmingham to visit the inlaws?
December 24, 2025Dec 24 Author Whoops ! My bad. Didn't read it. However, whilst most of the pictures we see are obviously wronguns, there do seem to be a increasing amount of OK looking bikes pictured on the back of recovery/confiscation vehicles. I do have a concern that it's building a precedent of 'If it's electric, nab it and we'll sort the paperwork later'. My own bike is a conversion. It's fully labelled but I had to make the labels myself. It's unlikely I will get pulled around here but how about if I go to Swansea or Birmingham to visit the inlaws? If anybody is sure that there bike is legal, don't get intimidated by the police. If they try to confiscate your bike, film them with your phone, take their shoulder numbers, then threaten them with a civil claim against them. Remember that any speed shown on an LCD has no basis in law as the device is not calibrated, and in many cases is not even set, which is why we see claims of 100mph bikes. Here are some solicitors that you should contact immediately to fight your case: Highly Recommended Firms Bhatt Murphy: Described as "gold standard" for police misconduct and civil liberties work. Donoghue Solicitors: Award-winning specialists in actions against the police. Saunders Law: Recognized for police law, civil liberties, and human rights expertise. DPP Law: Offers expert solicitors for claims involving discrimination, excessive force, and human rights violations. Hodge Jones & Allen (HJA): Strong reputation in civil liberties and actions against the police. Duncan Lewis: Handles civil claims, complaints, wrongful convictions, and judicial reviews. GN Law: Specialises in holding public authorities accountable for misconduct. Irwin Mitchell: Offers support for police misconduct and human rights cases. ITN Solicitors: Also focuses on police actions and misconduct.
December 27, 2025Dec 27 I wonder what they would do if they stopped you, lifted the back wheel only to find the speedo is not working/disconnected or you dont have one.
December 28, 2025Dec 28 Speedo is part of KT lcd's. I used to have an Ezee system with a simple led display, only speedo was a Cateye bike computer that was only there for my convenience. All this makes me think it might be worth going back to an led display having first set parameters with the lcd. Then the only way to speed check would be a rolling road. Anyone seen one yet?
December 28, 2025Dec 28 That Ebike is doing over 60 mph while stopped . Just think how fast it would go if you pedal it ! I want one to join my 100 mph 1982 Suzuki X7 in my shed . The X7 gets a bit `flighty` at over 70 mph so this Ebike could solve my problem .
January 3Jan 3 More than 200 e-bikes and e-scooters seized in crackdown on anti-social behaviour in Dorset https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2025-12-30/more-than-200-e-bikes-and-e-scooters-seized-in-anti-social-behaviour-crackdown https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyky7q5rwqo Kendal: Electric bicycle seized from 13-year-old boy https://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/25732196.kendal-electric-bicycle-seized-13-year-old-boy/ Weymouth: E-bike seized by police in town centre https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/25726230.weymouth-e-bike-seized-police-town-centre/ Youth waves goodbye to e-bike after police chase through Bamber Bridge "The bike will be crushed and permanently removed from your roads" https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/youth-waves-goodbye-e-bike-33130281 'Crushing' fate for e-bike after youth put lives at risk during police chase Officers say nuisance motorbikes and e-bikes are now a 'prolific problem' in the area https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/crushing-fate-e-bike-after-33127881 Edited January 3Jan 3 by lenny
January 12Jan 12 E-scooter and e-bike seized over separate incidents in West Cumbria https://uk.news.yahoo.com/e-scooter-e-bike-seized-082355483.html
January 12Jan 12 Carlisle: Bike capable of reaching 56mph seized by police https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/25757237.carlisle-bike-capable-reaching-56mph-seized-police/
January 14Jan 14 Operation Venture make five arrests and seize three off-road bikes in Salford https://www.gmp.police.uk/news/greater-manchester/news/news/2026/january/operation-venture-make-five-arrests-and-seize-three-off-road-bikes-in-salford/
January 14Jan 14 Police seized e-bike and e-scooter during patrol in March as part of tackling vehicle-related anti-social behaviour https://www.fenlandcitizen.co.uk/news/police-remind-people-of-e-scooter-and-e-bike-laws-after-more-9449163/
January 18Jan 18 Sooooo...... orificers have some sort of new gizmo to test speed. Irritating, because presently in order to pass the no-load the rear wheel off the ground pedal assist speed test, I have to turn two wheel spoke speed sensor magnets around (three in total, at odd spoke angles), to make my 20" wheeled folding bike's BBS01B conversion's display never show faster than 23kph no matter what, which effectively de-resrticts and illegalises my currently legal bike in the process... but to pass this new rozzer gizmo test, I have to leave everything as is. Which test should I prepare my bike for? Prep to pass the more common first test takes about 20 seconds, to dismount and turn two spoke magnets around to face the speed sensor. Portable tester helps crackdown on illegal e-bikes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7z8p1vnz1o.amp Edited January 18Jan 18 by guerney
January 18Jan 18 Author Sooooo...... rozzers have some sort of new gizmo to test speed. Irritating, because presently in order to pass the no-load the rear wheel off the ground pedal assist speed test, I have to turn two wheel spoke speed sensor magnets around (three in total, at odd spoke angles), to make my 20" wheeled folding bike's BBS01B conversion's display never show faster than 23kph no matter what, which effectively de-resrticts and illegalises my currently legal bike in the process... but to pass this new rozzer gizmo test, I have to leave everything as is. Which test should I prepare my bike for? Prep to pass the more common first test takes about 20 seconds, to dismount and turn two spoke magnets around to face the speed sensor. Portable tester helps crackdown on illegal e-bikes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7z8p1vnz1o.amp If they do the wheel in the air test, tell them it's not a reliable test. Put your finger on the rim to create some resistance and ask them to repeat the test.
January 18Jan 18 If they do the wheel in the air test, tell them it's not a reliable test. Put your finger on the rim to create some resistance and ask them to repeat the test. If that roller device has some resistance, and it must have some, it should probably make a reasonable measurement. All it has to do is to overcome the initial inertia of the wheel spinning up which might momentarily take it above 25kph if there was no resistance, through the energy applied during acceleration. Once that is over the question is simple - Is the motor still operating above 25 KPH? At first I wondered about where the police were reading the speed, which is not clear from the photo pasted, but google found this picture on the Notts Police facebook page. There is absolutely no defence in a case like that shown in the picture above. 38KPH is well outside any sensible argument, as long as the rolling road device has been properly calibrated. Since it looks like a well made Swiss device, I'd say the guy shown in the video below, with a full speed throttle, and a great big dinner plate motor which drives the wheel to over 60KPH, is banged to rights. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=857692997021951 The Neighbourhood policing sergeant was well up to speed himself, but the young lad policeman going through a checklist was talking rubbish when he said one of the check items was, 'Does the battery supply more than 250 watts?'. Rubbish. Still there are abundant cases where police have no clue about these matters.
January 18Jan 18 Author No mention of the +10% tolerance allowed, which brings it to 17.2 mph limit for illegality. Apart from that, they were spinning up the motors with independent throttles, so there was no need to check the speed.
January 18Jan 18 No mention of the +10% tolerance allowed, which brings it to 17.2 mph limit for illegality. Apart from that, they were spinning up the motors with independent throttles, so there was no need to check the speed. Yes - very true. I thought the fact that the Wenger machine is marked with a 30KPH label suggested they were not being unreasonable about the cut off speed. I looked up the manufacturer's publicity on the device. I wouldn't be unhappy to have either of my e-bikes tested on that. It is a proper bit of kit. Check out the website. https://www.wenger-geschwindigkeitspruefrolle.ch/en/ From the manufacturer'e website: Intended use The E-Speed Control device is not a speed measuring device and is only used to detect suspected violations. Suspicion means: The vehicle has been manipulated or does not comply with the law. If manipulation or non-compliance is suspected, the maximum possible speed of the vehicle can be determined on a speed test track (e.g., road traffic authority) or with a standard speed measuring device (e.g., radar), depending on the prescribed procedure. The E-Speed Control device only measures the maximum wheel speed of the vehicle, which may or may not correspond to the maximum possible speed of the vehicle, as air and rolling resistance cannot be taken into account with this measurement method. Air and rolling resistance, and thus the braking effect of the vehicle, depend on various factors and can vary greatly depending on the driver (tall, short, light, heavy), vehicle type (electric, gasoline), transmission type (1-speed, variator, multi-speed transmission), max. engine power, max. drive torque, headwind, etc. Therefore, only the maximum possible theoretical vehicle speed can be measured indirectly via the wheel speed. The E-Speed Control device is calibrated by the Swiss calibration authority METAS and has a test certificate.
January 18Jan 18 They sound quite generous to me, focusing on excessive speed rather than seizing every throttle equipped bike. I still don't understand the objections to the free air speed test: the motor has to stop assisting at 25 kph regardless of air and road resistance, so any persistent overspeed allowing for initial underdamped response to throttle is non-compliant.
January 18Jan 18 I still don't understand the objections to the free air speed test: the motor has to stop assisting at 25 kph regardless of air and road resistance, so any persistent overspeed allowing for initial underdamped response to throttle is non-compliant. Show me the legislation. Your solar trailer bike is non-compliant. https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/solar-trailer-rides-again.43566/page-7#post-655444
January 18Jan 18 Author Show me the legislation. Your solar trailer bike is non-compliant. https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/solar-trailer-rides-again.43566/page-7#post-655444 You're making it more complicated than it is. We've explained this hundreds of times. The motor must be RATED at 250w or less. There is no law that limits charging power, size of battery, power taken from the battery or power produced by the motor.
January 18Jan 18 Author Yes - very true. I thought the fact that the Wenger machine is marked with a 30KPH label suggested they were not being unreasonable about the cut off speed. I looked up the manufacturer's publicity on the device. I wouldn't be unhappy to have either of my e-bikes tested on that. It is a proper bit of kit. Check out the website. https://www.wenger-geschwindigkeitspruefrolle.ch/en/ From the manufacturer'e website: Intended use The E-Speed Control device is not a speed measuring device and is only used to detect suspected violations. Suspicion means: The vehicle has been manipulated or does not comply with the law. If manipulation or non-compliance is suspected, the maximum possible speed of the vehicle can be determined on a speed test track (e.g., road traffic authority) or with a standard speed measuring device (e.g., radar), depending on the prescribed procedure. The E-Speed Control device only measures the maximum wheel speed of the vehicle, which may or may not correspond to the maximum possible speed of the vehicle, as air and rolling resistance cannot be taken into account with this measurement method. Air and rolling resistance, and thus the braking effect of the vehicle, depend on various factors and can vary greatly depending on the driver (tall, short, light, heavy), vehicle type (electric, gasoline), transmission type (1-speed, variator, multi-speed transmission), max. engine power, max. drive torque, headwind, etc. Therefore, only the maximum possible theoretical vehicle speed can be measured indirectly via the wheel speed. The E-Speed Control device is calibrated by the Swiss calibration authority METAS and has a test certificate. Calibration is not enough. To be a suitable measuring device, they would have to do repeatability and reproduceability test on the meausuring device that showed +/- 4 standard deviations of variation are less than 0.25km/hr. This would only be an argument if the device showed that you were just above the 27.5 km/hr maximum.
January 18Jan 18 You're making it more complicated than it is. We've explained this hundreds of times. The motor must be RATED at 250w or less. There is no law that limits charging power, size of battery, power taken from the battery or power produced by the motor. Was that directed at me or [mention=34503]matthewslack[/mention]? I doubt accurate calculation of speed of a driven wheel rotating in the air was part of Bafang's design brief. What matters is speed in use on the road. Behold in wonder at how fast my bike cuts off at 25kph in use ON THE ROAD (1min 12 seconds onwards) uphill. Works just as fast on flat road. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCBYMm-Vvk8:72
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.