February 10Feb 10 Author Looks promising. Not sure how it differs from https://modmo.io/products/modmo-saigon-s-2024-ltd-edition-electric-bicycle I looked at that only available in small.
February 10Feb 10 Oooooops gone and bought one, so please tell me mistakes ive made! Just loved it and good reviews so when offered it for £700 plus carraige I lost my head and put a deposit down, please feel free to rip me to shreds! https://mynextbike.co.uk/products/modmo-saigon-2026 Congratulations, that's a hell of a lot of bike for the price and if it goes half as well as it looks you've got yourself a winner. No idea how front hub drive performs but love the belt drive and rear hub gears! Please keep us posted on how it goes. P.S. I still like the Haibike and reckon you might have got it down to 750 but water under the bridge now.
February 10Feb 10 It looked quite an impressive package, and the gears need some looking into by me, as I am not familiar with the type. It seems not to be like the old SA click and change gear set. Some googling to be done here. The only thing I wonder about is spares availability - not to mention cost. This kind of sophisticated proprietary systems bike can end up useless in short order if you can't replace batteries and other specialised canbus parts. Hopefully - a long way off for your purchase, but all e bikes need batteries eventually, and sometimes not long into their lives. I've seen a few sad posts here about proprietary in frame batteries being unavailable or extremely expensive after a short production run. Some just get scrapped which is an ecological menace as well as a user disappointment. Enviolo gear system explained: Edited February 10Feb 10 by Tony1951
February 10Feb 10 I intend to be doing lots of rides with pictures, internal gears it is the + version which retails £2800 That's a lot of bike for the money. Good luck! Pictures always welcome, we just need it to stop flipping raining!
February 10Feb 10 It looked quite an impressive package, and the gears need some looking into by me, as I am not familiar with the type. It seems not to be like the old SA click and change gear set. Some googling to be done here. The only thing I wonder about is spares availability - not to mention cost. This kind of sophisticated proprietary systems bike can end up useless in short order if you can't replace batteries and other specialised canbus parts. Hopefully - a long way off for your purchase, but all e bikes need batteries eventually, and sometimes not long into their lives. I've seen a few sad posts here about proprietary in frame batteries being unavailable or extremely expensive after a short production run. Some just get scrapped which is an ecological menace as well as a user disappointment. I was pondering that - its a decent size battery so hopefully should last a while but if it died, you could possibly remove the battery from inside the frame and replace with a downtube battery - not sure if there is comms between the battery and controller, if so you would have to replace the controller and display and just use the motor wheel - the hub gears and belt drive and hydraulic brakes are all nice to have. Personally I always like things nice and simple so that I can repair / upgrade them but I can see the appeal.
February 10Feb 10 Author Oh Dear! Team Modmo <hello@modmo.io> 18:25 (3 minutes ago) to me Hi there, How are you? This is an automated reply so apologies if we picked up your message wrong. It looks like you were querying about the Modmo app? For now the app is offline following the business going into liquidation last year. We're working on a solution and hope to have something setup later this year. Stay tuned and we'll be in touch soon. Lucki;y not paid deposit yet!
February 10Feb 10 Is the app really necessary? I don't mind the idea of an ebike with an app, but I hate the idea of one that requires the app.
February 10Feb 10 I did wonder, their website is still up but there is nothing new since 2023, what a shame!
February 10Feb 10 I've been looking up ow the enviolo gear system works. It is a neat idea and seemingly easy to use, and it has a wide gear range which is good. On the bad side it is less efficient in turning pedal effort into drive at the wheel. about 80% . Old fashioned cheap, crude Sturmy Archer 3 speed tech is more efficient but has way less gear range. Here is an analysis of the differences. https://share.google/aimode/I4BN9ctIBt5XsMSot
February 10Feb 10 Sad situation now, and it makes the point that Peter and i made more important. If you can't buy spares, you could end up in trouble with a big door stop and not a great door stop at that. Edit: If it was me - I'd look again at those second hand woosh bikes and cancel the other purchase.
February 10Feb 10 Author Is the app really necessary? I don't mind the idea of an ebike with an app, but I hate the idea of one that requires the app. Its not so much the app as spares, not going to be able to repair should something go wrong.
February 10Feb 10 It would be a bummer if the app provided functionality unavailable via the display. App development and maintenance can be expensive - in my experience with other devices, development can stop after a year or so. As new OS iterations are released with new requirements, apps are removed from app stores, and you're lucky if the app is available for sideloading from potentially dodgy websites, if that works or is even allowed (sideloading might not be allowed by future Android releases). Some apps require server connection and resources at startup, servers which might be switched off because those aren't cheap either, rendering the app useless. In my view at least, that along with a difficult to replace potted in-frame battery might mean you've dodged a bullet, maybe two. Edited February 10Feb 10 by guerney
February 10Feb 10 Yes, I know its a bit boring, but if you want something easy to maintain and be able to repair and upgrade yourself then something like a "normal" bike with an external battery (without comms) and hub motor is best. So many of these manufacturers of niche bikes seem to go bust. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005010625742453.html Edited February 10Feb 10 by Peter.Bridge
February 10Feb 10 Its not so much the app as spares, not going to be able to repair should something go wrong. I'm late to the party, but as soon as I saw your first post, I was going to reply with: I hope you like peas or runner beans, which is what I always write when I see those bikes. I told the other guy to avoid anything like that, but somehow I missed it for you. I must've thought that you didn't sound like a mug.
February 10Feb 10 just get a suron can of crest puffing a war head fkn pita keeping it lit going @60mph off road on the pavement
February 10Feb 10 Author I'm late to the party, but as soon as I saw your first post, I was going to reply with: I hope you like peas or runner beans, which is what I always write when I see those bikes. I told the other guy to avoid anything like that, but somehow I missed it for you. I must've thought that you didn't sound like a mug. I can be as much of a mug as the next man when you spot something you really like, but I do always double check before parting with money. I still have a yearning for that samebike LO26, I know its a folder but I just really like it and think it fits my general requirements.
February 11Feb 11 My only reservation is the battery, is it a generic battery or is it manufacturer specific ? - when you need to replace it in 4 or 5 years are you reliant on samebike still being in business and stocking that battery
February 11Feb 11 My only reservation is the battery, is it a generic battery or is it manufacturer specific ? - when you need to replace it in 4 or 5 years are you reliant on samebike still being in business and stocking that battery If one clicks on Samebike's website and look for batteries they appear to have no batteries at all in stock for any of their models. If one clicks on Size & Fit or Specifications, they both say no information available. Bit of a red flag right there. I wouldn't buy any bike where I could not easily replace the battery (or any of the other electric components) myself with generic, off the shelf components five years down the line.
February 11Feb 11 its a minefield out there:eek::eek: Not really, you have the skills from motorbikes. Another option is to get a nice well maintained / hardly used bike off Facebook and convert it yourself using generic parts. You will have a much better spec bike with a nice control system and be able to maintain it yourself and replace / upgrade parts in the future for a total of £700. Say ££200 for aa second hand bike and £500 for motor wheel, controller, display, pas sensor and battery. The bikes I've converted are much better value than the ones I've bought I would be looking for a used mountain bike in good nick, about 10 years old and with disc brakes. L or XL frame. It's good fun, converting. Edited February 11Feb 11 by Waspy
February 11Feb 11 Author Not really, you have the skills from motorbikes. I would be looking for a used mountain bike in good nick, about 10 years old and with disc brakes. L or XL frame. It's good fun, converting. Would love to but as I explained earlier in thread GWR do not allow converted bikes on trains so that option (my favourite) is out of the question.
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