March 16, 20224 yr Please can we not confuse matters by describing torque arms as torque washers. If the erider ones are too long grind a bit off the end so they fit, the generic curved bike ones aren't as good as they have a weak point which is the bolted join. A one piece TA is always stronger and better then a two piece item as there is no chance of the arm moving.
March 16, 20224 yr Author Please can we not confuse matters by describing torque arms as torque washers. If the erider ones are too long grind a bit off the end so they fit, the generic curved bike ones aren't as good as they have a weak point which is the bolted join. A one piece TA is always stronger and better then a two piece item as there is no chance of the arm moving. Ok I get confused, ok torque arms, But I have just now received the 1 from ebay, I thought it was a pair for each sides of axle but its just 1 side. but I have taken a image of how it fits. with the arm and jubilee clip. its much better plus chain is not now tight. But I don't know what's best as if I turn this part on its own opp way round it nearly lines up with that hole marked in yellow, which are for the bike stand which I don't use anyway, but I could drill through that hole so it does line up. would that be much better or use the whole part with jubilee clip. this is what Erider sent me, but the top torque arm is the original one, and Erider sent 2 of those bottom ones, which I could grind down. But I just thought to save all of doing that use the ones from ebay this is the part marked in yellow where the other torque arms catch and make chain too tight Edited March 16, 20224 yr by billyboya
March 16, 20224 yr The jubilee clip is useless as a restraint against torque force, it will at some stage fail. 100% reverse the main shaped axle fitting and use it by aligning the fixing hole and bolt it direct. You will still need to use the old original one on the other side. Once fitted there is no need to use those anti rotation washers with tab on them. The idea of torque arms is a belt and braces firm fixing that simply sit tight against the drop out, a one piece item is twice as good as a two piece item that could move. A direct bolt fixing is essential. Edited March 16, 20224 yr by Nealh
March 16, 20224 yr Author The jubilee clip is useless as a restraint against torque force, it will at some stage fail. 100% reverse the main shaped axle fitting and use it by aligning the fixing hole and bolt it direct. You will still need to use the old original one on the other side. Once fitted there is no need to use those anti rotation washers with tab on them. The idea of torque arms is a belt and braces firm fixing that simply sit tight against the drop out, a one piece item is twice as good as a two piece item that could move. A direct bolt fixing is essential. Nealh I really appreciate your advice on those jubilee clip torque arms, Glad you mentioned they will be useless, But I have now managed to cut a piece off of each torque arms which Erider sent and grinded them shorter so hopefully I can now fix bolts where they should go, and make sure chain is now as it should be. so what about those big washers I have 1 on insides of drop outs , then on outside a torque arm which obviously I am placing a bolt through hole to secure them, then another big washer, then the nut then will also seal over threads with that Loctite 243 glue will that be ok now
March 16, 20224 yr The washers have tow uses if needed. On the inside as a spacer between the hub and inside face of the drop out, usually to prevent one causing friction/ rubbing against the other. Often the outer washer will have serrations on the face so the nut can't simply loosen via vibrations.
March 16, 20224 yr Author The washers have tow uses if needed. On the inside as a spacer between the hub and inside face of the drop out, usually to prevent one causing friction/ rubbing against the other. Often the outer washer will have serrations on the face so the nut can't simply loosen via vibrations. Whats tow uses if needed mean. so am I ok now to go what I have on the axles.
March 16, 20224 yr My pc seems to use auto correct and often what I type comes out very different. Tow should read two.
March 16, 20224 yr Author My pc seems to use auto correct and often what I type comes out very different. Tow should read two. Its ok makes sense now yeah I know what you mean. Well I have gone back to the original method I said about in #127 the 1st image showing yellow circles on image. I am just going to use the piece below I have drilled a hole so it lines up ok. I just couldn't get those by Erider to fit right, they wasn't for this model anyway. I've just ordered another 1 for opp side. as I thought they came in a pair but obviously what I ordered was just 1. so then after I have secured those each side with bolts. its just a matter of fitting a few more parts back like seat etc dash. wing mirrors. then Im all good to go I think these torque arm parts will be much better just using the part above only
March 16, 20224 yr What was wrong with using the Black one in #127 ? Was it because the chain was too tight ?
March 16, 20224 yr Author What was wrong with using the Black one in #127 ? Was it because the chain was too tight ? Well somehow I had lost the original black one, And Erider sent me this one, but again that must have been for a smaller axle width as it didn't fit my 14mm axle. I think they just had a few old torque arms but not for my model This is what I have done to 1 side just got to fit a bolt in that hole marked with blue line then do same other side but got to wait now for other one to arrive as I thought it was a pair I ordered but it was just 1 Edited March 16, 20224 yr by billyboya
March 18, 20224 yr Author At last again moped is all done, Its been 4 months. well it was 3 months, really, but after a short ride cable snapped, that was because I didn't have correct washers and 2 torque arms. plus it had fried 2 hall sensors. plus the pcb was messed up too, so had to order more which took 5 weeks to arrive. but all I have to do now is fit back box, fit 2 handle bar grips. and will do a test on Sunday on a short road a few times back and forwards. then if all fine well back on long trips Nealh just a quick ? whats a 48V battery on full charge now is it 53v or 54v
March 18, 20224 yr At last again moped is all done, Its been 4 months. well it was 3 months, really, but after a short ride cable snapped, that was because I didn't have correct washers and 2 torque arms. plus it had fried 2 hall sensors. plus the pcb was messed up too, so had to order more which took 5 weeks to arrive. but all I have to do now is fit back box, fit 2 handle bar grips. and will do a test on Sunday on a short road a few times back and forwards. then if all fine well back on long trips Nealh just a quick ? whats a 48V battery on full charge now is it 53v or 54v WELL DONE THAT MAN!! 13 x 4.2 = 54.6V.
March 18, 20224 yr Well Done ! A bit of rust inhibitor and some Hammerite satin black on the rusty bits and you're done. Now get out and ride ! God Like Genius Award goes to Nealh on this one
March 18, 20224 yr Author WELL DONE THAT MAN!! 13 x 4.2 = 54.6V. Well green charge light has come on at 53.9V is that ok
March 18, 20224 yr Author Well Done ! A bit of rust inhibitor and some Hammerite satin black on the rusty bits and you're done. Now get out and ride ! God Like Genius Award goes to Nealh on this one Yes didn't think about that will do that another time, but thanks for advice. fingers crossed for Sunday testing day
March 18, 20224 yr Well green charge light has come on at 53.9V is that ok Yes. 53.9 ÷ 13 = 4.15V per cell, which is fine.
March 19, 20224 yr The BMS may balance charge at 4.15v per cell so 53.9v is perfect and the battery should have a little longer life cycle. My swizzbee LG bms balances at 4.15v.
March 19, 20224 yr Author The BMS may balance charge at 4.15v per cell so 53.9v is perfect and the battery should have a little longer life cycle. My swizzbee LG bms balances at 4.15v. I bet you are now jumping with Joy Nealh Now Billyboya is finally leaving you after 4 months, well 3 months really as 1 month I had to wait for parts. for this electric moped Erider Model 15. testing day is tomoz. will do about 4 times back and forth along a short stretch of road. Is that you in that car Nealh, hiding up :p:D;) No seriously I cant thanks you enough again Nealh and also Matthewslack Plus others here who have helped on this long project. 4 months in all Take care all I'm outta here adios amigo ( Well will let you all know how testing went )
March 19, 20224 yr I’ve got to admire your persistence with this. However, looking at the photos showing the state of the rust around the rear wheel and shock, my concern would be that the frame or other component fails whilst being used.
March 20, 20224 yr Author I’ve got to admire your persistence with this. However, looking at the photos showing the state of the rust around the rear wheel and shock, my concern would be that the frame or other component fails whilst being used. Well moped past all the testing did about 6 short trips along a short road. and all fine. top speed 28KM/h Yes DiggyGun, can see your point, But I have spent enough on moped now. But hopefully they will last me long enough, if not will see if I can get some spares. But very much doubt it. and I'm sure from Erider they will be well expensive. But Like egroover said some rust inhibitor and some Hammerite satin black paint I know its not ideal but will smarten it up
March 20, 20224 yr Well done just in time for some nice weather riding this coming week, don't overload the bike shopping esp on steep hills.
March 20, 20224 yr Author Well done just in time for some nice weather riding this coming week, don't overload the bike shopping esp on steep hills. Yes I will be enjoying the lovely weather coming this weekend, if it wasn't for you and others here I wont have got this moped fixed, its took 4 months, but like they say " It comes to those who wait " its certainly fixed wheel using those torque arms. I must admit I was a bit cautious on 1st trip had to get off at end and check cable. so repeated a few more times. the ride. then decided to go just a bit more along the road. and it was great. 28KM/h full throttle. I know those shock absorbers look bad but will see how things go, and perhaps in the warmer weather can start using some rust inhibitor and black satin hammerite paint to smarten it up a bit. No I don't intend to carry lots of shopping, only a small amount. But doubt I will be trying steep hills.
March 21, 20224 yr Author Back on the road today with moped this time went much further, all fine. I'm afraid as I'm very tall I cant use the pedals, so they are folded downwards. I can rest my feet on the pedals but find it hard when legs are long to start pedalling. Plus I have bad arthritis in knees too but its fine. will use pedals as a rest. or top of battery
March 21, 20224 yr surely the pedals are there to purely make it legal (pedal assist), no-one is expected to use them to pedal the moped as that would be awkward with that very low seat height and it looks heavy ?? Don't you feet rest inboard on the foot platform when riding like a petrol moped scooter ?
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