The daily hate aka mail are anti a lot of things with their trash they print but cycling is one of their majot targets.

Edited March 29, 20233 yr by Nealh

This death was easily avoidable if police was doing their job. This bike should have been removed from road and this girl would still be alive. But of course it is easier to blame battery...

You're putting a great deal of emphasis on what you dont know. You've speculated right through this thread without even the smallest piece of evidence.

And for some reason you have it in for delivery riders, who i might add to a splendid job, out in all weathers and are keeping businesses afloat.

 

Honestly listen to yourself, or at least read before posting.

 

Your main points.

If delivery riders didnt act as bike couriers have always acted, jumping lights, cutting across roads, pavements for the shortest route, then this fire wouldn't have happened,and this poor girl would be alive.

Fire started in the battery according to the fire investigator, but according to your point, we mustn't blame the battery.

The battery failed catastrophically, thats the cause. not the rating of the motor, and certainly not Deliveroo riders.

 

 

If this helps you

IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO OWN AND RIDE AN E-BIKE WHERE THE POWER LEVEL EXCEEDS 250W.

I am a landlord - my feeling is if you're doing your job properly you should make sure that the environment you provide is safe for tenants.

 

Especially when considering the potential consequencews for fires in bloack of flats.

 

Do you ban your clients from storing eBikes or thier batteries in the properties you rent ?

Your main points.

If delivery riders didnt act as bike couriers have always acted, jumping lights, cutting across roads, pavements for the shortest route, then this fire wouldn't have happened,and this poor girl would be alive.

 

Except I didn't write anything like that, did I?

 

However you make a good point. I shouldn't blame police at this point as there is very little chance this bike might have been legal.

I seem to remember, even Boeing got it wrong with a battery on the 787, which were all grounded shortly after entering service due to a fire with a lithium battery.

 

Now that could have been a real disaster.

 

But thinking about it, Boeing have a bit of a reputation fro design errors.

I seem to remember, even Boeing got it wrong with a battery on the 787, which were all grounded shortly after entering service due to a fire with a lithium battery.

 

So despite, I presume, the enormous amount of experts time that went into developing, manufacturing and testing those batteries, still they went wrong.

 

Such is the joy of Lithium batteries.

 

Do beginner DIYers stand a better chance ?

i spoke to a giant ebike dealer last year and said had a fair few batts that was going faulty and it turns out it was there crappy chargers that was causing it lol.

 

even if you pay 10k for the best it could still go bang

even if you pay 10k for the best it could still go bang

 

True, I wonder how many gazillions Boing paid for thier plane heater ?

I still have smart AA/AAA battery charger I bought many years ago. It has option of refreshing old batteries, tells me exactly what level batteries were charged to or amount of energy accumulated by individual batteries if discharged. I wish I had something similar for my ebike batteries.

I still have smart AA/AAA battery charger I bought many years ago. It has option of refreshing old batteries, tells me exactly what level batteries were charged to or amount of energy accumulated by individual batteries if discharged. I wish I had something similar for my ebike batteries.

 

BTDTGTTS.

 

Yes, but those 'chargers' were for Alkaline batteries, which whilst not designed for charging, maybe could be a couple of times. And no known fire risk if 3 or 4 of them were used in a radio or clock.

Speaking of aircraft and battery fires.

 

 

So let me get this counter argument straight as some of you seem to see it.

Boeing - millions spent, technical expertise at top class

Major bicycle manufacturers Giant, Spesh*, probably a great deal spend on consultation, design etc

 

And still the risk of fire/explosion.

 

Fair enough.

 

But doesnt that suggest that the odds of something going majorly wrong are increased many many times when you buy a battery of an unregulated source

 

So it would appear to be the case that you are less likely to have problems develop, if you buy your Ebike or kit from a reputable source. And not pick it because its the cheapest you could find -- OR WERE DIRECTED TOWARDS.

 

* Specialized Ebike damage was tracked down to incorrect sealing on the battery coupled likely with pressure washing and water getting into the system and causing a short etc.

my m8 sent me a msg last night as his bad ass dongle stopped working but found some corrosion on the batt changed it for a new one and still dead.

 

he killed the dongle b4 his shitmano motor

 

Yes, but those 'chargers' were for Alkaline batteries, which whilst not designed for charging, maybe could be a couple of times. And no known fire risk if 3 or 4 of them were used in a radio or clock.

 

I meant something like that:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Youshiko-YC4000-Intelligent-Professional-Standard/dp/B00N7GHUH0/ref=sr_1_6?crid=30EC6IN9FHQBK&keywords=Smart+charger+aa&qid=1680126578&sprefix=smart+charger+aa%2Caps%2C140&sr=8-6

 

Highly recommended for AA and AAA.

 

I guess chargers like that would be very inconvenient for some sellers as they can determine real capacity of battery.

https://www.skyrc.com/iMAX_B6mini_Charger

 

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/imax-b6-ac-dc-charger-5a-50w-with-us-plug-copy.html

 

will i leave that batt on charge over night no chance trust nothing esp the older it gets and why i retired my original 400w batt to science/hacking

Edited March 29, 20233 yr by soundwave

Cops don't care about delivery ebikes in any shape of form unless you REALLY piss them off and draw attention to yourself. If they started pulling them over then they would be making a rod for their own back given most cops are stupid lazy b@stards they just don't want the hassle....straight from horses mouth, a cop I used to regularly play cards with (one of the 1% that isn't an @reshole), though I do believe they are all 100% corrupt...

 

How often do we hear of hubs catching fire or controllers or displays? We don't so it's unfair to dismiss cheap matched Chinese ebike kits, none of them even come with batteries, it's always a separate purchase.

 

If ppl buy cheapo high powered battery packs/use mismatched chargers how is it different from buying a knock-off phone charger or laptop charger from ebay that is potentially more likely to cause a fire?

 

Case in point in posh hotel in Sorrento maybe 15yrs ago, my Nokia charger was dodgy so I bought cheapo replacement from street/beach vendor. Back in room plugged it in and by time came out shower it was smoking heavily and singed all around the wall socket...

 

If you try to do stuff on the cheap with electricity it's always eventually gonna end in tears...

 

Store the battery in a metal box with a smoke a heat / detector on top and store it near to a window or an alternative property EXIT door (not the main one). Keep thick gardening gloves beside box, any issues you can launch it.

 

How many ppl in UK die of fires started by the smoking cigarettes? Yet we don't police them...

 

Point being as in most things in life some common sense needs to be applied to ensure your gene pool continues.

we have had ppl post on this forum with batts that has been in a canal then wonder why when charging it smoke is coming out.

 

then they throw it in the bin and this happens.

 

 

https://www.circularonline.co.uk/news/over-700-fires-in-bin-lorries-and-recycling-centres-are-caused-by-batteries/

 

Edited March 29, 20233 yr by soundwave

I meant something like that:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Youshiko-YC4000-Intelligent-Professional-Standard/dp/B00N7GHUH0/ref=sr_1_6?crid=30EC6IN9FHQBK&keywords=Smart+charger+aa&qid=1680126578&sprefix=smart+charger+aa%2Caps%2C140&sr=8-6

 

Highly recommended for AA and AAA.

 

I guess chargers like that would be very inconvenient for some sellers as they can determine real capacity of battery.

"Professional Standard" - £26.59 and out of Amazon too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQQ5H5r3Ev0

 

the vet is a better option atm

 

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/nightmare-30-hour-wait-ae-8301834

 

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/fake-shops-centre-major-drugs-8304465

I meant something like that:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Youshiko-YC4000-Intelligent-Professional-Standard/dp/B00N7GHUH0/ref=sr_1_6?crid=30EC6IN9FHQBK&keywords=Smart+charger+aa&qid=1680126578&sprefix=smart+charger+aa%2Caps%2C140&sr=8-6

 

Chargers that do that functionality, capacity check, cycling etc, have been around for a long time. They typically only do one 'battery' at a time, but that can be up to 12 series Lithium Polymer, ION, LiFePO4 and well as strings of NiCd, NiMh and lead acid too.

 

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002057939141.html

So it would appear to be the case that you are less likely to have problems develop, if you buy your Ebike or kit from a reputable source. And not pick it because its the cheapest you could find -- OR WERE DIRECTED TOWARDS.

 

Local UK supplier versus cheapo far East, clearly most would assume the risk would be less from a repuatable UK supplier.

 

The significant issue however, is there seems to be little to no regulations on construction and sale of eBike batteries. Given the potential harm that could occur if they are stored or charged in block of flats you do wonder why.

 

There are regulations for the construction for most electrical stuff you buy in shops, you need to be registered to work on your own gas, there are regulations for doing home electrics etc. Lots of regulations designed to reduce risk of accidents and fires.

 

But for eBike batteries, where there is a well known fire risk, few to zero regulations, DIY builds by novices are supported and encouraged on-line etc.

Hobbyists, manufacturers and sellers of cheap ebikes and conversion kits will be first against the wall if stringent regulations come into force; the majority of buyers will be priced out. Even this government recognises the need for cheap personal transportation, hence their insane and largely evaporated speculative plans to make those ridiculously dangerous ninja escooter pavement missiles legal.

The significant issue however, is there seems to be little to no regulations on construction and sale of eBike batteries. Given the potential harm that could occur if they are stored or charged in block of flats you do wonder why.

 

What are the regulations for smoking in bed if you live in a block of flats?

 

Or you fall asleep with the oven on or candles lit?

 

Where do you draw the line?

https://cesafety.co.uk/news/data-reveals-extent-of-electric-vehicle-fires-around-the-uk/