Keir Starmer,Labour's Brexit shadow secretary has just announced in the Telegraph that it is Labour policy to keep the UK in the single market and the customs union....I thought Corbyn has said it is Labour policy to leave both?

Looks like Labour are no more agreed on Brexit than the Tories?

Perhaps we should ask the EU what is the UK's exit policy,they probably know more than our government.

KudosDave

 

Being in opposition they can have all policies to please the electorate. At most only one in ten of our UK electorate will even notice - - - - - - - or care.

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Being in opposition they can have all policies to please the electorate. At most only one in ten of our UK electorate will even notice - - - - - - - or care.

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Policies, Guv? we've had enuff o' policies, wot we want is Cake, innit?

No wot i mean?

Boris sez we can 'ave and eat it too, Sorted!

I thought it was time to read the Leavers point of view so I Googled 'Brexit advantages',expecting to get the media spin of trading with the world etc,what comes up 'BREXIT,40000 city jobs to go from London,Dublin seen to have many ADVANTAGES'....perhaps a Brexiter can tell me the advantages,at this moment I cannot see any?????

tried that(asking brexiteers to explain why, thinking I'm missing something), there's a version of Andersen's fable happening("the bigoted idiot isn't wearing any clothes"), it's just presumptuous xenophobia. the "marginalised" who "didn't benefit from globalisation" had an extremely good life in UK as part of EU and became greedy

Not just reputed, I remember them well, but they were more abundant in the southern counties and especially in south coast towns.

 

One marked difference from today is that most of them spoke little English, and with their housewife customers generally knowing no French, everything was done by sign language or shouting louder until understanding was reached!

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They then saved their money, bought a ship to bring the onions and artichokes and became Brittany ferries

They then saved their money, bought a ship to bring the onions and artichokes and became Brittany ferries

 

Back in the 1950s it was onions only, artichokes would have been regarded as foreign muck.

 

They are still coming over individually in a different guise, having stalls in Kent farmers markets. The tunnel as well for vans and the Eurostar stop at Ashford in mid-Kent for individuals makes it a quick trip.

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Those were t' days........

 

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Those were t' days........

 

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I hate Documentaries:mad:

They only encourage an influx Foreigners like the English to come North over the Humber Bridge asking for Beer is HALF PINTS for crying out loud!

Edited August 2, 20178 yr by oldgroaner

They only encourage an influx Foreigners like the English to come North over the Humber Bridge asking for Beer is HALF PINTS for crying out loud!

 

Now then, they have to order half pints so that teetotal English people like me get the empty half.

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Now then, they have to order half pints so that teetotal English people like me get the empty half.

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Would that be from the Bottom of the Glass?

Would that be from the Bottom of the Glass?

 

Only if it's upside down.

 

Or in Australia.

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In the good old days before mobile phones and computers,when most of us sought our entertainment on the Light Programme, the Home Service or Radio Luxembourg, children, well most children, were always scolded for minor breaches of the rules in manners, etiquette or just plain decency.

 

This old photo of my mum educating me is typical of that era:

 

 

I never lied again!

 

Tom

In the good old days before mobile phones and computers,when most of us sought our entertainment on the Light Programme, the Home Service or Radio Luxembourg, children, well most children, were always scolded for minor breaches of the rules in manners, etiquette or just plain decency.

 

This old photo of my mum educating me is typical of that era:

 

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I never lied again!

 

Tom

 

I was such a bad lier that I gave up early and always told the truth to my parents. One day my mother said "You know sometimes I wish you had been a decent liar like all the other kids, you're making my hair go grey!"

This article from 'The Spectator' encapsulates beautifully for me what was and remains the problem with the whole 'Brexit' nonsense:

 

the-brexit-betrayal-bandwagon-is-growing

 

Tom

The Express has gone off Gollum this morning for telling Fibs

"

Brexit fisheries BOMBSHELL: Gove vows EU fishermen can STILL use UK waters AFTER divorce

MICHAEL Gove has undermined the future livelihoods of British fishermen by promising the Danes access to UK waters even after Britain has left the European Union (EU)."

Apparently because we have no one able to gut and fillet them

From the Independent

"

Brexit: UK faces £520m bill for moving the European Medicines Agency from London to the EU

‘We could end up having to pay large amounts of money to lose highly skilled jobs and research capacity from the UK. It really is that crazy’

“It really is that crazy. Rather than £350m a week extra for the NHS as the Brexiteers promised, Brexit is making us poorer every day.”

 

The EU insisted earlier this year that Britain must foot the bill for moving the EMA, because it is a direct consequence of the decision to leave the union.

 

Amsterdam, Barcelona, Copenhagen, Dublin, Lille, Porto, Stockholm and Bratislava are among 19 cities eager to compete for the prize of hosting the agency.

 

Now Brussels has put the cost of relocation at €582.5m (£520m), with 60 per cent of the costs the result of a botched rental contract for the EMA’s Canary Wharf offices.

The agency failed to negotiate a “break clause”, which means EU taxpayers are locked into a rent contract for its offices until June 30, 2039.

best brexit quote today is from the FT:

 

‘Tasking the Brexiters with managing Brexit was like asking the winners of a debating contest to engineer a spaceship’

 

They'll soon give up and accuse the opposition of stabbing them in the back.

best brexit quote today is from the FT:

 

‘Tasking the Brexiters with managing Brexit was like asking the winners of a debating contest to engineer a spaceship’

 

They'll soon give up and accuse the opposition of stabbing them in the back.

Forgive me for pointing this out, but the Leave Voters and the Murdoch Press have been blaming "Remoaners, Remainiacs, and Unpatriotic Traitors and Dastardly EU Plots"

"Which they claim to be successfully "Slapping Down" every day in the headlines, since the start of this Fiasco, whenever some new problem surfaces.

Still, I recommend that comfort can be gained from the following maxims

 

Brexit Voter version first.

"There are no such things as Problems, only challenges!"

 

Remain Voter view

"But the number of challenges has become a problem!"

I was such a bad lier that I gave up early and always told the truth to my parents. One day my mother said "You know sometimes I wish you had been a decent liar like all the other kids, you're making my hair go grey!"

my father used to say "if you have to lie stick as close as possible to the truth, then there's less chance of getting caught out". kind of disturbing advice, in retrospect, coming form a role model. fortunately i'm a terrible liar too (not so much for moral reasons, i just get too anxious). HOWEVER, in the context of brexit - with truly terrible liars like boris, may or gove - I think we can all empathise with your mother's stress (I switch off any radio or TV as soon as any of them appear, it's too worrying to hear). on the other hand, if they were more sanctimoniously psychopathic like blair it could have been altogether more disturbing. It's a dilemma, do you like your politicians thick and incompetent or suave and incompetent?

From the Independent

"

Brexit: UK faces £520m bill for moving the European Medicines Agency from London to the EU

‘We could end up having to pay large amounts of money to lose highly skilled jobs and research capacity from the UK. It really is that crazy’

“It really is that crazy. Rather than £350m a week extra for the NHS as the Brexiteers promised, Brexit is making us poorer every day.”

 

The EU insisted earlier this year that Britain must foot the bill for moving the EMA, because it is a direct consequence of the decision to leave the union.

 

Amsterdam, Barcelona, Copenhagen, Dublin, Lille, Porto, Stockholm and Bratislava are among 19 cities eager to compete for the prize of hosting the agency.

 

Now Brussels has put the cost of relocation at €582.5m (£520m), with 60 per cent of the costs the result of a botched rental contract for the EMA’s Canary Wharf offices.

The agency failed to negotiate a “break clause”, which means EU taxpayers are locked into a rent contract for its offices until June 30, 2039.

 

Must say I have also just read this,I was fed up that we were losing these agencies ,with all the high value employees and tax take.

But it is the height of madness that we are paying £520 million for them to move and continuing to pay the rent on the offices until 2039.

The EU and the rest of the world must think we are bonkers,easy meat when we start negotiating trade deals.

I bet the May brigade will say....that is the cost of democracy but we will get it all back when Fox does his trade deals......yeh !!!!!

KudosDave

my father used to say "if you have to lie stick as close as possible to the truth, then there's less chance of getting caught out". kind of disturbing advice, in retrospect, coming form a role model. fortunately i'm a terrible liar too (not so much for moral reasons, i just get too anxious). HOWEVER, in the context of brexit - with truly terrible liars like boris, may or gove - I think we can all empathise with your mother's stress (I switch off any radio or TV as soon as any of them appear, it's too worrying to hear). on the other hand, if they were more sanctimoniously psychopathic like blair it could have been altogether more disturbing. It's a dilemma, do you like your politicians thick and incompetent or suave and incompetent?

 

Well at least we can say with certainty ours cater for all tastes however extreme they may "B"

As in the old Rhyme

 

"The B he is a busy soul

And has no time for Birth Control

And that is why in days like these

There are so many Sons of "B's"

 

In these politically corrects times one has somehow to work in a line

And those of Female, or indeed indeterminate or even Variable Gender

Edited August 3, 20178 yr by oldgroaner

Forgive me for pointing this out, but the Leave Voters and the Murdoch Press have been blaming "Remoaners, Remainiacs, and Unpatriotic Traitors and Dastardly EU Plots"

"Which they claim to be successfully "Slapping Down" every day in the headlines, since the start of this Fiasco, whenever some new problem surfaces.

 

that is an unfortunate fact that the UK is unique in having this sort of tabloid newspapers.

I don't know if you like Isobel Oakeshott. She used to be a regular guest on Marr's and Andrew Neil's shows.

She typifies the brexiters Oxford caste.

Not recently seen on those shows for a while.

Does it mean that the Oxford gang of brexiters are running scared? Too much real work ahead?

that is an unfortunate fact that the UK is unique in having this sort of tabloid newspapers.

I don't know if you like Isobel Oakeshott. She used to be a regular guest on Marr's and Andrew Neil's shows.

She typifies the brexiters Oxford caste.

Not recently seen on those shows for a while.

Does it mean that the Oxford gang of brexiters are running scared? Too much real work ahead?

Or more likely employing the age old military art of "leading from the rear?"

Must say I have also just read this,I was fed up that we were losing these agencies ,with all the high value employees and tax take.

But it is the height of madness that we are paying £520 million for them to move and continuing to pay the rent on the offices until 2039.

The EU and the rest of the world must think we are bonkers,easy meat when we start negotiating trade deals.

I bet the May brigade will say....that is the cost of democracy but we will get it all back when Fox does his trade deals......yeh !!!!!

KudosDave

This country has descended into the state Les Dawson attributed to the area where he grew up.

"Tough Neighbourhood?

You had to put your name down to be Mugged"

 

Describes Brexit precisely Doesn't it? we most definitely have!

 

And again Les encapsulated the mood of those of us afflicted with the disadvantage of an operational Brain, with this.

 

"Optimistic?

I'm as optimistic as a Turkey sitting on a pile of Boxes of Paxo

Listening to Christmas Carols!"

Those were t' days........

 

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Tom

 

That's why you are a good Old Tom:)

 

MS.

From the Independent

"

Brexit: UK faces £520m bill for moving the European Medicines Agency from London to the EU

‘We could end up having to pay large amounts of money to lose highly skilled jobs and research capacity from the UK. It really is that crazy’

“It really is that crazy. Rather than £350m a week extra for the NHS as the Brexiteers promised, Brexit is making us poorer every day.”

 

The EU insisted earlier this year that Britain must foot the bill for moving the EMA, because it is a direct consequence of the decision to leave the union.

 

Amsterdam, Barcelona, Copenhagen, Dublin, Lille, Porto, Stockholm and Bratislava are among 19 cities eager to compete for the prize of hosting the agency.

 

Now Brussels has put the cost of relocation at €582.5m (£520m), with 60 per cent of the costs the result of a botched rental contract for the EMA’s Canary Wharf offices.

The agency failed to negotiate a “break clause”, which means EU taxpayers are locked into a rent contract for its offices until June 30, 2039.

 

EU 27 decision to move therefore they pay for their actions.